size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Pavel Machek
On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can autonomouly bisect

Re: size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Rene Herman
On 18-11-07 13:44, Pavel Machek wrote: On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote: It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone else. Hmmm, clean-cg is 7.7G on my machine, and yes I tried git-prune-packed. What am I doing wrong? clean-cg? But failure to run git repack -a -d

Re: size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)

2007-11-18 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 2007-11-13 12:50:08, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch approach for really

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Takashi Iwai
At Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:17:27 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 06:59:34AM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: Totally unrelated indeed so why are spouting crap? If the kohab list has a problem take it up with them but keep ALSA out of it. alsa-devel has only ever moderated

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Jörn Engel
On Thu, 15 November 2007 13:26:51 +0100, Rene Herman wrote: Can you please just shelve this crap? You have a way of knowing that ALSA will accept you and that is knowing or assuming that the ALSA project doesn't consist of drooling retards. Well, my experience with moderation has been that

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:23:34PM -0500, Daniel Barkalow wrote: I don't see any reason that we couldn't have a tool accessible to Ubuntu users that does a real git bisect. Git is really good at being scripted by fancy GUIs. It should be easy enough to have a drop down with all of the

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread Ben Dooks
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:34:37PM +, Russell King wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:25:16PM +, Alan Cox wrote: Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs. I for one wish I'd never

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-15 Thread J. Bruce Fields
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:50:43PM +1100, Neil Brown wrote: Virtual Folders. I use VM mode in EMACS, but I believe some other mail readers have the same functionality. I have a virtual folder called nfs which shows me all mail in my inbox which has the string 'nfs' or 'lockd' in a To, Cc,

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:20AM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Finally they replied and asked to rediff it against their git tree. I did that and sent patches back. No reply since then. And mind you, the patch is not trying to do anything complex, it mostly moves code around, removes

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Hannes Reinecke
Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:20AM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Finally they replied and asked to rediff it against their git tree. I did that and sent patches back. No reply since then. And mind you, the patch is not trying to do anything complex, it mostly moves code

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275 Kernel: 2.6.23 This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM No response from developers Maybe I'm optimistic, but I expected Ingo/Thomas to look after nohz problems. nohz=off

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Randy Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the separate netdev list is a bad idea - networking regressions should be discussed and fixed on lkml, like most other

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Fabio Comolli
FWIW, I see the same problem with another HP notebook, DV4378EA with radeon X700 video card. It does not happen frequently but I can say that since I disabled the tickless feature I can't reproduce the problem anymore. On Nov 14, 2007 2:24 PM, Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi!

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Mark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're assuming that everything in linux-2.6 was downloaded; that's not true. Everything in linux-2.6/.git was downloaded; but then you do a checkout which happens to approximately double the size of the linux-2.6 directory. .. Ah, I wondered why

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote: * Randy Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the separate netdev list is a bad idea - networking

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread J. Bruce Fields
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote: so please stop this too busy and too noisy nonsense already. It was nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense today. In 10 years the kernel grew from a 1 million lines

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Kok, Auke
Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Wednesday 14 November 2007 00:27, Adrian Bunk wrote: You missed the following in my email: we slowly scare them away due to the many bug reports without any reaction. The problem is that bug reports take time. If you go away from easy things like compile errors

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Russell King
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:07:06AM -0800, David Miller wrote: From: Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:55:07 + On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:55:51PM -0800, David Miller wrote: I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED] By doing so you've just said (implicitly) that you can

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Russell King
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 01:24:48PM +, Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275 Kernel: 2.6.23 This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM No response from developers Maybe I'm optimistic,

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Randy Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:16:39 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote: countered by the underlined sentences above, just in case you missed it. I didn't miss your claim. ok, then you conceded it by not replying to it? good ;-) Ingo

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Ingo Molnar
* David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ingo Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all on lkml we'd all be aware

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Ingo Molnar
* James Bottomley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:56 -0800, David Miller wrote: From: Ingo Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev some of those bugs were already

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread david
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: Dumping even more crap on lkml is not the answer. that crap that i'd like to see dumped upon lkml would be netdev traffic mainly - most of the other kernel development lists (and i'm subscribed to many of them) are low-traffic. netdev is the main reason

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: There are two parts to this. One is a Ubuntu development kernel which we can give to large numbers of people to expand our testing pool. But if we don't do a better job of responding to bug reports that would be generated by expanded testing this

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Neil Brown
On Tuesday November 13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:08, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years, in favor of

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote: Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC From: Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on vger? That's also

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Neil Brown
On Wednesday November 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote: so please stop this too busy and too noisy nonsense already. It was nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense today. In 10

Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-14 Thread Rene Herman
On 15-11-07 05:16, Bron Gondwana wrote: Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple [ ... ] I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA project of, I'd be wary of spending the same effort writing a good post knowing it may be dropped in

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread David Miller
From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:15:53 -0800 NETWORKING=== RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349 Kernel: 2.6.24+ No response from

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread David Miller
From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800 Do you believe that our response to bug reports is

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps? That doesn't answer my question. See, first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do this, then we can

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years, in favor of the all-too-easy open source means many eyeballs and that is our QA answer, which is a _good_ answer but by far

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. .. Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275 Kernel: 2.6.23 This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM No

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Nov 13, 2007 12:15 PM, Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area. (not a full

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years, in favor of the all-too-easy open source means many eyeballs and that is our QA answer, which is a _good_

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Benoit Boissinot
On Nov 13, 2007 3:08 PM, Mark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years, in favor of the all-too-easy open source means many eyeballs

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Ray Lee
On Nov 13, 2007 7:24 AM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time kernel tester, I see some problem with the newer new development model. In the short merge windows, after to much time, there are to many patches. I think the root issue there is that it's hard to get all

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. .. Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:57:54AM -0800, Ray Lee wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 7:24 AM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time kernel tester, I see some problem with the newer new development model. In the short merge windows, after to much time, there are to many patches.

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote: Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros (gentoo-ubuntu) and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I know this isn't a lkml problem but more a distro problem, but I would

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:33:21 -0600 James Bottomley wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 03:15 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: SCSI== qla2xxx: driver initialization does not complete when booting with Port connected

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Larry Finger
Theodore Tso wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote: Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros (gentoo-ubuntu) and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I know this isn't a lkml problem but more a distro

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Jan Kara
FILE SYSTEMS=== ext4: delalloc space accounting problem drops data http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 No response from developers Actually, there has been a response (Eric asked in mailing list and

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can autonomouly bisect build bugs via a simple shell command around git-bisect

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't boot (ARM, Timer)

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:15:53AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLATFORM=== xipImage is built so that uBoot cant run it (ARM)

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can autonomouly

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:07:21PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final, last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:18:43PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone else. Where do you get this number from? $ du -sh .git/objects/pack/ 249M.git/objects/pack/ $ du -sh .git/objects/ 253M.git/objects/ ie about half what you claim. -- Intel

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone else. Where do you get this number from? $ du -sh .git/objects/pack/ 249M.git/objects/pack/ $ du -sh .git/objects/ 253M.git/objects/ ie about half

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Matthew Wilcox wrote: ie about half what you claim. .. No, it's from earlier in this very thread: Adrian Bunk wrote: git clone \ git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git .. mkdir t cd t git

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:33:44AM -0600, Larry Finger wrote: I'm very encouraged to read of your expanded testing efforts. As a bcm43xx developer, Ubuntu has been our problem distro, mostly because your standard kernels have debugging turned off for bcm43xx. When a Ubuntu user reports a

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Gabriel C
Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote: Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros (gentoo-ubuntu) and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:32:07 -0800 (PST) David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: ... I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work. But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable. .. Definitely useful, no

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: ... I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work. But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable. ..

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years, in favor of the all-too-easy open source means many eyeballs

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: .. Another point is that it shifts the work from the few experienced developers to the many users. Users (and voluntary testers) we

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the classic case of not enough people reading bugzilla bugs - which is one of the biggest problems with bugzilla. Virtually no one in the ARM community

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:46PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: .. If you've been making significant updates to a driver/subsystem, and people are reporting that it is now broken for them, What are significant updates?

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Romano Giannetti
I jump in this discussion hoping to have some more insight on git and to report my experience as a tester. I consider myself as half-literate in this (I am here since 1991, more or less, and I am able to compile a kernel and even hand-apply a patch, although I am in no way a kernel programmer).

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Jörn Engel
On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote: I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc* kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own machine, and then I track it down, fix it, and submit the patch, generally all within a

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
On Tuesday, 13 of November 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Matthew Wilcox wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: mkdir t cd t git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git (wait half an hour) /usr/bin/du -s linux-2.6 522732

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Frans Pop
Romano Giannetti wrote: This was what I did in my (in the end almost successful) bisecting when trying to find the mmc problem (see the thread named 2.6.24-rc1 eat my SD card). This is true in theory, but it has some problem. The this commit does not compile is the easiest and in man

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Jörn Engel
On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the subsystem B developers. But that's OK. The subsystem B people are the ones

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the classic

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:25:16PM +, Alan Cox wrote: Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs. I for one wish I'd never *VOLUNTEERED* to be a part of the kernel bugzilla, and really

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:24:14 +0100 Jörn Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:37 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:13:19PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote: ... There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the classic case of not enough people reading bugzilla bugs - which is one of the biggest

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Lord
Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 Natalie Protasevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Russell King
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:18:07PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Russell King wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote: Ingo Molnar wrote: .. This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the bug fixed. Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it not happen again. Very few people think about that part.

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Stephen Hemminger
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500 Chuck Ebbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the bug fixed. Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it not happen

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread David Miller
From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:32:01 -0800 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiable, so

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:11:36 -0800 Stephen Hemminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500 Chuck Ebbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the bug fixed.

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread David Miller
From: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:27:00 -0800 Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger lists. Considering how many times those email addresses must have been added to spam databases. It must be a lot of work, and whoever is

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Sam Ravnborg
If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause some bug reporters to give up and go away. Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiable, so don't even try to change my mind.

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Sam Ravnborg
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:56:06AM +0100, Sam Ravnborg wrote: If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause some bug reporters to give up and go away. Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a non-subscribers only mailing

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread David Miller
From: Sam Ravnborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:56:06 +0100 If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause some bug reporters to give up and go away. Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a non-subscribers

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:39:45PM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote: Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But

Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-13 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 00:27, Adrian Bunk wrote: You missed the following in my email: we slowly scare them away due to the many bug reports without any reaction. The problem is that bug reports take time. If you go away from easy things like compile errors then even things like

[BUG] New Kernel Bugs

2007-11-12 Thread Natalie Protasevich
This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area. (not a full list, there are more :) The good part is that reporters of the bugs below are still around and haven't dissipated, or disposed of their hardware, so it is