UML - Compilation problem on 2.6.22-rc4

2007-06-14 Thread Arun Raghavan
Hello, I ran into some compilations problems with UML on the 2.6.22-rc4 kernel. The problem turns up because "paravirt.h" is included in a couple of headers in asm-i386 without being protected by a "#ifdef CONFIG_PARAVIRT". I've attached a patch to fix this (i.e. UML compiles and runs fine for me

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 02:29:32 Glauber de Oliveira Costa wrote: > > As a simple matter of fact, the *only* activities covered by the GPLv2 > > are "copying, distributing and modifying". It says so in the license > > itself. > > Unless I have explicitly installed linux myself in the box, I have > r

Re: coding style

2007-06-14 Thread dave young
Hi, 2007/6/15, debian developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: And *Please* do not top-post! I know gmail directly goes to the top while replying, but think of other mail clients out there. Yes, it go to the top directly, and tabs of pasted code will be converted to white spaces, so I need use mutt to

Re: Instead of GPL License - Why not LKL? (Linux Kernel License)

2007-06-14 Thread debian developer
On 6/15/07, Kevin Bowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/14/07, Glauber de Oliveira Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/15/07, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been somewhat following the GPL2 vs. GPL3 debate > > and the problem is that it leads to confusion. GPL3 is > > nothi

Re: Instead of GPL License - Why not LKL? (Linux Kernel License)

2007-06-14 Thread Kevin Bowling
On 6/14/07, Glauber de Oliveira Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/15/07, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been somewhat following the GPL2 vs. GPL3 debate > and the problem is that it leads to confusion. GPL3 is > nothing like GPL2 and the GPLx leads people to believe > that GPL3

Re: coding style

2007-06-14 Thread debian developer
On 6/15/07, dave young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, The Documentation/CodingStyle says: Outside of comments, documentation and except in Kconfig, spaces are never used for indentation, and the above example is deliberately broken. Regards dave 2007/6/15, Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Will

Re: [RFC] TOMOYO Linux

2007-06-14 Thread Toshiharu Harada
Stephen Smalley wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 23:22 +0900, Toshiharu Harada wrote: 2007/6/13, Stephen Smalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 17:13 +0900, Toshiharu Harada wrote: Here are examples: /bin/bash process invoked from mingetty: /sbin/mingetty /bin/bash /bin/bash process in

Re: coding style

2007-06-14 Thread dave young
Hi, The Documentation/CodingStyle says: Outside of comments, documentation and except in Kconfig, spaces are never used for indentation, and the above example is deliberately broken. Regards dave 2007/6/15, Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:48:36P

Re: Instead of GPL License - Why not LKL? (Linux Kernel License)

2007-06-14 Thread Glauber de Oliveira Costa
On 6/15/07, Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been somewhat following the GPL2 vs. GPL3 debate and the problem is that it leads to confusion. GPL3 is nothing like GPL2 and the GPLx leads people to believe that GPL3 is just GPL3 improved. So - just throwing out the idea that if Linus is

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Al Viro
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:16:46AM -0400, Sean wrote: > There's no problem with people voicing honest disagreement with the v3, > but please lighten up a bit on FSF bashing and the Greek tragedy talk. Would you prefer a reference to Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui? - To unsubscribe from this list:

Re: [PATCH] cdrom_sysctl_info fix

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Young
Hi, >On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 07:58:47AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: > Hey, no point in CC'ing me twice! [EMAIL PROTECTED] works just fine as > well. > I'm sorry for it , jens. Now I resend the patch after remove some checkpatch.pl warnings(line breaking trailing space). If user have many cdrom dri

rtc_cmos: error after first write to wakealarm

2007-06-14 Thread Tino Keitel
Hi, I have the following strange behaviour with rtc_cmos: $ echo 1181934240 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm bash: echo: write error: Device or resource busy $ rmmod rtc_cmos $ modprobe rtc_cmos $ echo 1181934240 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm $ echo 1181934240 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm bas

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Glauber de Oliveira Costa
As a simple matter of fact, the *only* activities covered by the GPLv2 are "copying, distributing and modifying". It says so in the license itself. Unless I have explicitly installed linux myself in the box, I have received the binary from them, so it can fall in the distribution case. -- Glaube

Instead of GPL License - Why not LKL? (Linux Kernel License)

2007-06-14 Thread Marc Perkel
I've been somewhat following the GPL2 vs. GPL3 debate and the problem is that it leads to confusion. GPL3 is nothing like GPL2 and the GPLx leads people to believe that GPL3 is just GPL3 improved. So - just throwing out the idea that if Linus is unhappy with GPL3 that Linux lose the GPLx license a

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Sean
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:24:32 -0400 Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. Linus and other Linux kernels might *want* to take other people's > improvements, but thanks to Richard Stallman's choices for GPLv3, they > can *not* legally take other people's improvements without violating > the

Re: [patch] xip sendfile removal

2007-06-14 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Jun 14 2007, Carsten Otte wrote: > This patch removes xip_file_sendfile, the sendfile implementation for > xip without replacement. Those customers that use xip on s390 are not > using sendfile() as far as we know, and so far s390 is the only platform > this could potentially be used on so

Re: [RFC] TOMOYO Linux

2007-06-14 Thread Toshiharu Harada
Stephen, Thank you for your interests and comment. I'm beginning to feel that you might be misunderstanding my message. Let me explain. Stephen Smalley wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 17:13 +0900, Toshiharu Harada wrote: A couple of years ago, we tried to build a tool to generate SELinux policy (

Re: [patch] sched: accurate user accounting

2007-06-14 Thread malc
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Balbir Singh wrote: malc wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: [..snip..] Now integral load matches the one obtained via the "accurate" method. However the report for individual cores are of by around 20% percent. I think I missed some of the context, is t

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 01:38:41 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > #define Dell CFG_FAVOURITE_VENDOR > > > > A Dell desktop machine is a piece of hardware. The manufacturer has the > > source code (hypothetically) to the BIOS. The BIOS is requir

Re: [PATCH] cdrom_sysctl_info fix

2007-06-14 Thread Jens Axboe
On Fri, Jun 15 2007, dave young wrote: > Hi, > >Better to use the email address in the MAINTAINERS file than > >the one in the driver source file. > > Really? I searched the list, found axboe use the address > [EMAIL PROTECTED], same as what andrew said. does the MAINTAINERS > file be updated? He

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:19:24 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Florin Malita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 06/14/2007 05:39 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> Back when GPLv2 was written, the right to run was never considered an > >> issue. It was taken for granted, because copyright

Re: w1_therm_read_bin: suspicious usage of flush_signals()

2007-06-14 Thread Evgeniy Polyakov
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:10:07PM -0700, Roland McGrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Well, it can be uninterruptible sleep, but why? > > It is not allowed to return to userspace until transaction is completed, > > so having uninterruptible sleep will result in exactly same lost of > > signals.

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 00:14:49 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes > >> the hardware won't let him use the result of his effor

Re: 2.6.22-rc[23]: blinking capslock led, stuck keys?

2007-06-14 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 10:09, Indan Zupancic wrote: > On Wed, June 13, 2007 10:18, Pavel Machek wrote: > >> Well, as I said before, I've the "stuck key"/repeated output too (as well > >> as a warping PS/2 mouse), but no blinking led problem, so I believe the > >> two things are totally unrelated

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #define Dell CFG_FAVOURITE_VENDOR > A Dell desktop machine is a piece of hardware. The manufacturer has the > source code (hypothetically) to the BIOS. The BIOS is required for the > machine to boot and run Linux. > Riddle me this (es

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:54:31 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:21:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> Consider egg yolk and egg shells. > >> > >> I produce egg yolk. I give it to you under terms that say "if you > >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:04:37 Michael Poole wrote: > Daniel Hazelton writes: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:13:13 Michael Poole wrote: > >> The fundamental reason for this is that neither the executable code > >> nor the digital signature serves the desired function alone. The user > >> recei

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Theodore Tso
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 08:20:19PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > So, you see, your statement above, about wanting to be able to use > other people's improvements, cannot be taken without qualification. No. Linus and other Linux kernels might *want* to take other people's improvements, but th

[RFT] i8042 - trust PNP more on i386

2007-06-14 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
Hi, Historically we did not trust PNP data on i386 because of all the issues with data put into BIOS by BIOS writers. However there are bunch of boxes that get really unhappy if we try to poke AUX port when they don't have mouse attached and BIOS disabled AUX port when booting. Our keyboard/mouse

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:39:50 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're making an artificial distinction based on whether the > > *SOFTWARE* has a certain license or not. > > What matters to me is that, when the GPL says you can't impose fur

Re: coding style

2007-06-14 Thread Kok, Auke
Willy Tarreau wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:48:36PM +0400, Cyrill Gorcunov wrote: Hi to all, a simple question the answer to witch I didn't find in CodingStyle. Look for a code snip: err = foo(arg_a, arg_b, arg_c, arg_d); the second line contains 'd' arg aligned wi

Re: w1_therm_read_bin: suspicious usage of flush_signals()

2007-06-14 Thread Roland McGrath
> Well, it can be uninterruptible sleep, but why? > It is not allowed to return to userspace until transaction is completed, > so having uninterruptible sleep will result in exactly same lost of > signals. Delay, not loss. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" i

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Al Viro
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:14:49AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > I'm not trying to impose anything. I'm not pushing anything. I'm > defending the GPLv3 from accusations that it's departing from the GPL > spirit, and I'm trying to find out in what way Tivoization promotes > the goals you perceiv

Re: [PATCH] Support for controlling leds on xbox 360 pad.

2007-06-14 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On Friday 15 June 2007 00:15, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > How about the patch below instead? > And one more time without warnings... -- Dmitry Subject: Input: xpad - add support for leds on xbox 360 pad From: Jan Kratochvil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Input: xpad - add support for leds on xbox 360 pad

Re: coding style

2007-06-14 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 10:48:36PM +0400, Cyrill Gorcunov wrote: > > Hi to all, > > a simple question the answer to witch I didn't find in CodingStyle. > Look for a code snip: > > err = foo(arg_a, arg_b, arg_c, > arg_d); > > the second line contains 'd' arg aligned with tabs

Re: [PATCH 2/2] readahead: sanify file_ra_state names

2007-06-14 Thread Rusty Russell
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 14:21 +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote: > plain text document attachment (readahead-rename.patch) > Rename some file_ra_state variables and remove some accessors. > > It results in much simpler code. > Kudos to Rusty! > > Signed-off-by: Fengguang Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Needless to

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:22:48 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Faulty logic. The hardware doesn't *restrict* you from *MODIFYING* > > any fscking thing. > > Ok, lemme try again: > > case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve

Re: w1_therm_read_bin: suspicious usage of flush_signals()

2007-06-14 Thread Evgeniy Polyakov
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 09:24:39PM +0400, Oleg Nesterov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > drivers/w1/slaves/w1_therm.c:w1_therm_read_bin() > > while (tm) { > tm = msleep_interruptible(tm); > if (signal_pending(current)) > flush_signals(current);

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Michael Poole wrote: > > If the signature is one that serves to indicate origin, to detect > tampering, or the other things you mentioned, the program's binary is > useful when separated from the signature. My objection arises when a > functionally equivalent binary -- incl

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Poole
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 >> >> On Jun 14, 2007, Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> OK. Let's take this to the simple and logical conclusion. A signed >>> filesystem im

Re: [PATCH] Support for controlling leds on xbox 360 pad.

2007-06-14 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
Hi Jan, On Sunday 03 June 2007 14:02, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > +   list_for_each_entry(pos_led, &xpad_led_list, node) { > +   if (pos_led->id == i) > +   i++; > +   else > +   break; > +   } I don't like this list business, it

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes >> the hardware won't let him use the result of his efforts, and gives up > So you're blaming Tivo for the fact th

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:50:04AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > the GPL applies to software. It is a software license. > > the Tivo box is a piece of hardware. > > a disk is put into it with software copied to it already: a bootloader, > a Linux kernel plus a handful of applications. The free sof

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread david
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3 On Jun 14, 2007, Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK. Let's take this to the simple and logical conclusion. A signed filesystem image containing both GPL and non-GPL code. Fro

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> Yes. They'd have to give up the ability to update the software, or >> pass it on to the user. If they can't do the latter, they could still >> do the former. How bad would this be for

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-14 Thread Neil Brown
On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Neil Brown wrote: > > > On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> what is the limit for the number of devices that can be in a single array? > >> > >> I'm trying to build a 45x750G array and want to experiment with the >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:21:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Consider egg yolk and egg shells. >> I produce egg yolk. I give it to you under terms that say "if you >> pass this on, you must do so in such a way that doesn't stop anyone

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Michael Poole wrote: >> >> If the DRM signature and program executable are coupled such that they >> are not useful when separated, the implication to me is that they form >> one work that is based on the original P

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes > the hardware won't let him use the result of his efforts, and gives up So you're blaming Tivo for the fact that your end user was a lazy bum and wanted to take advantage of

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK. Let's take this to the simple and logical conclusion. A signed > filesystem image containing both GPL and non-GPL code. From your > point A, this is a derived work. I claim the signature is derived from the GPLed bits, yes. Wheth

Re: [patch] sched: accurate user accounting

2007-06-14 Thread Balbir Singh
malc wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> >> * malc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> the alternating balancing might be due to an uneven number of tasks perhaps? If you have 3 tasks on 2 cores then there's no other solution to achieve even performance of each task but

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-14 Thread david
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Neil Brown wrote: On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the limit for the number of devices that can be in a single array? I'm trying to build a 45x750G array and want to experiment with the different configurations. I'm trying to start with raid6, but mdad

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're making an artificial distinction based on whether the > *SOFTWARE* has a certain license or not. What matters to me is that, when the GPL says you can't impose further restrictions, then you can't, no matter how convoluted your

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Yes. They'd have to give up the ability to update the software, or > pass it on to the user. If they can't do the latter, they could still > do the former. How bad would this be for them, do you know? In other words, you advocate license for te

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Poole
Linus Torvalds writes: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Michael Poole wrote: >> >> If the DRM signature and program executable are coupled such that they >> are not useful when separated, the implication to me is that they form >> one work that is based on the original Program. This is beyond the >> GPL's

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Faulty logic. The hardware doesn't *restrict* you from *MODIFYING* > any fscking thing. Ok, lemme try again: case 2'': tivo provides source, end user tries to improve it, realizes the hardware won't let him use the result of his effor

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Michael Poole wrote: > > If the DRM signature and program executable are coupled such that they > are not useful when separated, the implication to me is that they form > one work that is based on the original Program. This is beyond the > GPL's permission for "mere aggregat

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Florin Malita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06/14/2007 05:39 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Back when GPLv2 was written, the right to run was never considered an >> issue. It was taken for granted, because copyright didn't control >> that in the US (it does in Brazil), and nobod

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 14 June 2007 05:32:47 Bernd Paysan wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 03:24, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Harald is in Germany, and he therefore takes legal action against people > > distributing products violating his copyright on the Linux kernel > > in Germany at German courts based on Germ

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> It's disappointing that I took so much of everyone's time without >> achieving any of my goals. > What do you expect, when you tried to entertain a legal picture of the > GPLv2 that ev

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-14 Thread Neil Brown
On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > what is the limit for the number of devices that can be in a single array? > > I'm trying to build a 45x750G array and want to experiment with the > different configurations. I'm trying to start with raid6, but mdadm is > complaining about an inval

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Poole
Daniel Hazelton writes: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:13:13 Michael Poole wrote: > >> The fundamental reason for this is that neither the executable code >> nor the digital signature serves the desired function alone. The user >> received a copy of the executable for a particular purpose: to run

Re: mm: Fix memory/cpu hotplug section mismatch and oops.

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Mundt
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 06:32:32PM +0900, Yasunori Goto wrote: > Thanks. I tested compile with cpu/memory hotplug off/on. > It was OK. > > Acked-by: Yasunori Goto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It would be nice to have this for 2.6.22.. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ker

limits on raid

2007-06-14 Thread david
what is the limit for the number of devices that can be in a single array? I'm trying to build a 45x750G array and want to experiment with the different configurations. I'm trying to start with raid6, but mdadm is complaining about an invalid number of drives David Lang - To unsubscribe from

Re: [TOMOYO 1/9] Allow use of namespace_sem from LSM module.

2007-06-14 Thread Kentaro Takeda
> Looks whitespace-damaged to me. > Pavel Oops, I sent patches with "Content-type: format=flowed" header. I think your mail client converted tabs into spaces. The orignal patches themselves are not whitespace-damaged. http://kb.mozillazine.org/

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:21:59 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the GPLv2 license says no such thing, and you seem to be mighty confused > > about how software licenses work. > > > > the GPL applies to software. It is a software license. > > >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 19:20:19 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> I understand this very well. You'd have to get the kernel upgraded to >> GPLv3 in order to accept the contribution. > Why do you keep saying "upgraded" to GPLv3? Just because i

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:13:13 Michael Poole wrote: > Daniel Hazelton writes: > > What rights did they give to "downstream" recipients of the "object code" > > version? *EXACTLY* those they received from the GPLv2. > > Doing the e-mail equivalent of yelling about this will not change the Sorry,

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 17:27:27 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > And the companies that produce devices that come with Linux and/or >> > other GPL'd software installed an

Re: [RFC] TOMOYO Linux

2007-06-14 Thread Tetsuo Handa
Hello. James Morris wrote: > Note that while SELinux does also have a similar capability with the > audit2allow tool, it should be considered an expert tool, the output of > which needs to be understood before use (as noted in its man page). Yes, adding "allow" statement without understanding wh

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Alexandre Oliva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > Wait, a signed filesystem image that happens to contain GPL code > > is now a derived work? Under what sort of interpretation does *that* > > occur? > > Is the signature not derived from the bits in the GPLed component, as > much as it is derived from

Re: raid5: coding style cleanup / refactor

2007-06-14 Thread Dan Williams
: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xscaleiop/md-accel-2.6.22-rc4-20070614.patch [ It's actually based on current git but should apply cleanly to 2.6.22-rc4. ] If you are so inclined the most up-to-date version is available via git. git pull git://lost.foo-projects.org/~dwillia2/git/iop md-accel-linus It sho

Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support

2007-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: > > The metadata needs to refer to 1/16th of the earlier pages that need to be > > tracked. metadata is shrunk significantly. > > Only if the filesystems are altered to use larger blocksizes and if the > operator then chooses to use that feature. Then t

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 21:43:07 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 14:35:29 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > > > >> > So let's look at that "section 6" that you talk about, and quote the > >> > relevant parts, will we: >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Hmm... So, if someone takes one of the many GPLv2+ contributions

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: >> And since the specific implementation involves creating a derived work >> of the GPLed kernel (the signature, or the signed image, or what have >> you) > Wait, a signed filesystem image tha

Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support

2007-06-14 Thread Andrew Morton
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course there is. The seeks are reduced since there are an factor > > > of 16 less metadata blocks. fsck does not read files. It just reads > > > metadata structures. And the larger contiguous areas th

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the GPLv2 license says no such thing, and you seem to be mighty confused > about how software licenses work. > the GPL applies to software. It is a software license. > the Tivo box is a piece of hardware. > a disk is put into it with so

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > It's disappointing that I took so much of everyone's time without > achieving any of my goals. What do you expect, when you tried to entertain a legal picture of the GPLv2 that even the FSF counsel doesn't believe in? I will state one more time:

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Michael Poole
Daniel Hazelton writes: > What rights did they give to "downstream" recipients of the "object code" > version? *EXACTLY* those they received from the GPLv2. Doing the e-mail equivalent of yelling about this will not change the fact that people who think Tivo did something wrong -- legally and/or

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:46:40 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Well, then, ok: do all that loader and hardware signature-checking >> dancing, sign the image, store it in the machine, and throw the >> signing key away. This should be good for

Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support

2007-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: > There will be files which should use 64k but which instead end up using 4k. > > There will be files which should use 4k but which instead end up using 64k. > > Because determining which size to use requires either operator intervention > or kernel heur

Re: [PATCH -mm 6/7] PM: Remove power_state.event checks from suspend core code

2007-06-14 Thread Alan Stern
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > On Thursday, 14 June 2007 16:21, David Brownell wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 June 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > From: Rafael J. Wysocki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > The suspend routines should be called for every device during a system > >

Re: [git pull for 2.6.22-rc4 - resend] kbuild: fix sh64 section mismatch problems

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Mundt
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 06:53:40PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Paul Mundt wrote: > > > > > > > > Please pull this single patch from: > > > > > > > > git://master.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/sam/kbuild-fix.git > > > > > > And another re-request. > > I get

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:49:13 Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > I'm not saying it legally clear the other way round, my statement was > > an answer to Daniel's emails claiming it was clear what such companies > > do was legal. > > I'm sorry if I gave anyone that impression. My point was that it would

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 18:45:07 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, "Chris Friesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> *AND* the GPL has never been about making the source available to > >>> everyone -

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 18:35:01 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want to be able to use other peoples improvements. If they release > > improved versions of the software I started, I want to be able to merge > > those improvements if I want

Re: [git pull for 2.6.22-rc4 - resend] kbuild: fix sh64 section mismatch problems

2007-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Paul Mundt wrote: > > > > > > Please pull this single patch from: > > > git://master.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/sam/kbuild-fix.git > > > > And another re-request. I get irritated when people send me multiple requests with bogus URL's. At least get the URL right

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's an addiction. I'm not proud. I guess this makes it two of us :-( > They were basically forced to add lockdown by the content vendors. They can do that. They will still be able to do that with v3. All they have to do is to throw

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Florin Malita
On 06/14/2007 05:39 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 14, 2007, Florin Malita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, it's not: replacing does not create derivative work. Modification does. Thanks. Good point. This convinces me that this doesn't work as a legal argument under copyright. I st

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Rob Landley
On Thursday 14 June 2007 19:18:12 Carlo Wood wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:09:46PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > I'm the original author, and I selected the GPLv2 for Linux. > > [...] > > > I'm not going to bother discussing this any more. You don't seem to > > respect my right to choose t

Re: [git pull for 2.6.22-rc4 - resend] kbuild: fix sh64 section mismatch problems

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Mundt
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:15:07AM +0200, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > Resend of the below pull request. > > Sam > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 09:55:52PM +0200, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > > Hi Linus. > > > > Please apply following 2 liners fix. > > It will fix a lot of false section mismatch warnings on

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 18:24:55 David Woodhouse wrote: > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 21:29 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote: > > Agreed. However, AFAICT, TiVO meets the provisions of the GPLv2 - they > > make the source of the GPL'd part of their system available. (And I'm not > > going to get into argumen

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 14 June 2007 14:35:29 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> > So let's look at that "section 6" that you talk about, and quote the >> > relevant parts, will we: >> > >> >You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipie

Re: [PATCH] cdrom_sysctl_info fix

2007-06-14 Thread Randy Dunlap
dave young wrote: Hi, Better to use the email address in the MAINTAINERS file than the one in the driver source file. Really? I searched the list, found axboe use the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], same as what andrew said. does the MAINTAINERS file be updated? Could be, but that's up to Jens.

Re: [patch 00/14] Page cache cleanup in anticipation of Large Blocksize support

2007-06-14 Thread Andrew Morton
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > I do not think that the 100% users will do kernel compiles all day like > > > we do. We likely would prefer 4k page size for our small text files. > > > > T

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Thursday 14 June 2007 17:39:32 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > And since the specific implementation involves creating a derived work > of the GPLed kernel (the signature, or the signed image, or what have > you) and refraining from providing the corresponding sources to that > derived work (the key

Re: [-mm patch] make fs/buffer.c:cont_expand_zero() static

2007-06-14 Thread Nick Piggin
Hi Adrian, Thanks for doing these, but can we hold them off for now? Thanks, Nick On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:15:45AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > cont_expand_zero() can become static. > > Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- > --- linux-2.6.22-rc4-mm2/fs/buffer.c.old 200

Re: [-mm patch] fs/reiserfs/: cleanups

2007-06-14 Thread Nick Piggin
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 12:16:28AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This patch contains the following cleanups: > - remove the following no longer used functions: > - bitmap.c: reiserfs_claim_blocks_to_be_allocated() > - bitmap.c: reiserfs_release_claimed_blocks() > - bitmap.c: reiserfs_can_fit_pa

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-14 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 14, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now the FSF is coming along and being Darth Vader: "I am altering > the bargain. Pray I don't alter it any further." 1) it can't possibly do that. the Linux license is something that only the Linux developers can decide. 2) I don't know

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