Re: Jinxed VAIO wreckage - current state of affairs

2007-06-15 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 08:47 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:31 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > > > http://www.tglx.de/projects/hrtimers/2.6.22-rc4/patch-2.6.22-rc4-hrt10.patch > > > > > > > That suspends and resumes OK. > > > > What was the bug? > > A stupid state

Re: Linux and Windows 2003 servers comparison for Gaming

2007-06-15 Thread Nobin Mathew
Following is my Server Hardware configuration Intel Xeon Clovertown 5355 Intel 2U Server Case TYAN S5382WAG2NRF Dual Socket 771 Motherboard LSI Logic PCI-X SATA / SAS Controller 8 Port Kingston 2 GB (2x 1G) 240 Pin FB-Dimm 667 Memory Sabrent External USB Floppy Drive Seagate Cheetah 15K RPM SAS 7

Re: Jinxed VAIO wreckage - current state of affairs

2007-06-15 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:31 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > http://www.tglx.de/projects/hrtimers/2.6.22-rc4/patch-2.6.22-rc4-hrt10.patch > > > > That suspends and resumes OK. > > What was the bug? A stupid state check, which prevented the PIT to be setup again. So the box got stuck waiting

Re: Help needed: Partitioned software raid > 2TB

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jun 16 2007 11:38, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> On Jun 15 2007 16:03, Christian Schmidt wrote: > >> > Thanks for the clarification. I didn't use LVM on the device on purpose, >> > as root on LVM requires initrd (which I strongly dislike as >> > yet-another-point-of-fa

Re: coding style

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jun 15 2007 13:39, Linus Torvalds wrote: >On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> >> Linux maintainers will enforce \t "being"[1] 8, and will also enforce >> the 80-column limit[2]. > >Heh. Actually, Linux maintainers have generally very consciously _avoided_ >trying to "enforce" coding

Re: Jinxed VAIO wreckage - current state of affairs

2007-06-15 Thread Andrew Morton
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:31:06 +0200 Thomas Gleixner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 08:23 -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:05:57 +0200 Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 20:08 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:59:4

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-15 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, David Miller wrote: > From: Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:15:45 +0100 > > > > > Any particular reason why this is done as a separate block device driver > > > > rather than as SCSI? > > > > > > Because no new fake SCSI drivers are accepted anymore.

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 19:52 -0500, Scott Preece wrote: > > Yes, but in highlighting the possibility of evil intentions you > distort the fact that usually there are no such evil intentions... > I don't think you can use "usually" and "fact" togeth

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, "Scott Preece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether it's a legal requirement or a business decision, the result is > the same - neither forcing the manufacturer to make the device > non-updatable nor forcing the manufactu

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Michael Gerdau
> On Friday 15 June 2007 18:59:14 Linus Torvalds wrote: > > So it's true: the GPL just gives you rights, and without it you have no > > rights (other than fair use ones etc), and blah blah. But the distinction > > between "license" vs "contract" really isn't a very important one in any > > case. >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, "Scott Preece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > * Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> That's correct, but with a catch: since the contract or license is >>

Re: Help needed: Partitioned software raid > 2TB

2007-06-15 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jun 15 2007 16:03, Christian Schmidt wrote: Thanks for the clarification. I didn't use LVM on the device on purpose, as root on LVM requires initrd (which I strongly dislike as yet-another-point-of-failure). As LVM is on the large partition anyway I'll just add the sec

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 15 June 2007 21:29:22 Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Rob Landley wrote: > > Technically what they're holding back is _trademark_ rights, which are a > > different area of IP law and not addressed by the GPL. (I know you know > > this, but just for the record...) > > No, tec

Re: My kernel hangs again: Help with git please

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Carlo Wood wrote: > I don't understand - any branch that I am on has many tags. I can use > 'git reset --hard sometag' to change the source tree to that tag (which > works if I look at the version in the Makefile and pick tags that are > far apart enough). That's not actually

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On Friday 15 June 2007 23:51, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Dmitry Torokhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Friday 15 June 2007 17:08, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> >> If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, > >> >> you may choose any version ever published

Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)

2007-06-15 Thread Oleg Verych
[I've added Herbert as former kernel team member in the debian(AFAIK), sorry, if i'm wrong and you have no opinion on that, Herbert.] On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 04:55:16AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 03:32:36AM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:42:02AM

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-15 Thread Dan Merillat
For raid5 on an array with more than 3 drive, if you attempt to write a single block, it will: - read the current value of the block, and the parity block. - "subtract" the old value of the block from the parity, and "add" the new value. - write out the new data and the new parity. If the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Tim Post
On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 00:44 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives > >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > >> t

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 09:21:57PM -0400, James Morris wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Greg KH wrote: > > > Oh great, then things like source code control systems would have no > > problems with new files being created under them, or renaming whole > > trees. > > It depends -- I think we may be tal

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 22:16:30 Bron Gondwana wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What happens if you're debugging something you think is a bug in the > > > Linux kernel and then you run bang i

Re: My kernel hangs again: Help with git please

2007-06-15 Thread Carlo Wood
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:33:38PM -0400, Daniel Barkalow wrote: > HEAD doesn't mean what you think it means. It's the latest revision on the > branch with the *. What you want is: > > $ git checkout master > > This will move the * to "master", which shouldn't have been affected by > any of thi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 23:44:00 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives > >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > >> that legi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 16, 2007, Dmitry Torokhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 17:08, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, >> >> you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software >> >> Foundation. > Distributing a copy o

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-15 Thread Neil Brown
On Friday June 15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As I understand the way > raid works, when you write a block to the array, it will have to read all > the other blocks in the stripe and recalculate the parity and write it out. Your understanding is

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 16, 2007, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: >> Tivo has two choices: either it gives >> users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is >> that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? > Can I s

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Casey Schaufler wrote: > > --- James Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On my system, it takes about 1.2 seconds to label a fully checked out > > kernel source tree with ~23,000 files in this manner > > That's an eternity for that many files to be improperly labeled.

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
>> "version 2 or higher" > That phrase exists outside the license That's true. But sec. 9 of the GPLv2 says: If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation. So, by making the COPYING contain the v2

Re: 2.6.22-rc[23]: blinking capslock led, stuck keys?

2007-06-15 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On Friday 15 June 2007 22:04, Indan Zupancic wrote: > On Fri, June 15, 2007 07:41, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > /* > > + * Schedule switch for execution. We need to throttle requests, > > + * otherwise keyboard may become unresponsive. > > + */ > > +static void atkbd_schedule_event_work(struct atkbd

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Dmitry Torokhov
On Friday 15 June 2007 17:08, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, "Dmitry Torokhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, "Dmitry Torokhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > On 6/15/07, Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 15 June 2007 14:15:58 Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Carlo Wood wrote: > > The point is: can you, or can't you (legally) relicense the whole kernel > > tree under the GPLv3 (or GPLv2+GPLv3)? > > No. My special rights do not actually give me those kinds of powers, > exactly b

Re: PC speaker

2007-06-15 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Jun 15, 2007, at 15:34:52, Jan Engelhardt wrote: Perhaps live cd? In which case, the OP should, as recommended in this thread already, deactivate choosing boot devices, if that's possible. (Unfortunately, newer BIOSes with 'integrated bootmenu' with F8 or so, but I have not seen a way t

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Tim Post
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 23:29 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > Tivo has two choices: either it gives > users the content they want to watch, or it goes out of business. Is > that legitimate enough of a reason to restrict the hardware? Can I submit that they could just rent the use of their machines? I

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Casey Schaufler
--- James Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On my system, it takes about 1.2 seconds to label a fully checked out > kernel source tree with ~23,000 files in this manner That's an eternity for that many files to be improperly labeled. If, and the "if" didn't originate with me, your policy is d

Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)

2007-06-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 03:32:36AM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote: > On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:42:02AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:20:57PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm seeing this long (198) thr

Re: [PATCH] natsemi irq flags

2007-06-15 Thread Alexey Dobriyan
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:06:58PM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: > On 06/15/2007 05:17 PM, Gregory Haskins wrote: > > The spinlock irq flags should be a unsigned long to properly support 64 bit > > Ouch. Can't we automate checking for that? Hopefully I'll do it before next -rc1. --- a/include/linux

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Seth Arnold wrote: > The time for restorecon is probably best imagined as a kind of 'du' that > also updates extended attributes as it does its work. It'd be very > difficult to improve on this. restorecon can most definitely be improved. - James -- James Morris <[EMAIL P

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Bron Gondwana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What happens if you're debugging something you think is a bug in the > > Linux kernel and then you run bang into some interactions that make you > > think the bug migh

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Tim Post
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 19:52 -0500, Scott Preece wrote: > > Yes, but in highlighting the possibility of evil intentions you > distort the fact that usually there are no such evil intentions... > I don't think you can use "usually" and "fact" together like that. Why is it so bad to account for th

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread David Schwartz
By the way, the unfortunate answer to the question of what the default position is when contributions to a collective work are received without explicit license, at least in the United States, is: "In the absence of an express transfer of the copyright or of any rights under it, the owner of copy

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-15 Thread Wakko Warner
Neil Brown wrote: > On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > why does it need to do a rebuild when makeing a new array? couldn't it > > just zero all the drives instead? (or better still just record most of the > > space as 'unused' and initialize it as it starts useing it?) > > Yes, it

Re: 2.6.22-rc[23]: blinking capslock led, stuck keys?

2007-06-15 Thread Indan Zupancic
On Fri, June 15, 2007 07:41, Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > Does the patch below help? Didn't try it yet, but will tomorrow. > Input: atkbd - throttle LED switching > > On some boxes keyboard controllers are too slow to withstand > continuous flow of requests to turn keyboard LEDs on and off > and sta

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 15 June 2007 18:59:14 Linus Torvalds wrote: > So it's true: the GPL just gives you rights, and without it you have no > rights (other than fair use ones etc), and blah blah. But the distinction > between "license" vs "contract" really isn't a very important one in any > case. Er, copyrig

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Seth Arnold wrote: > > How does inotify not work here? You are notified that the tree is > > moved, your daemon goes through and relabels things as needed. In the > > meantime, before the re-label happens, you might have the wrong label on > > things, but "somehow" SELinux a

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 15:28:29 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:25:57 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> Is the signature not derived from the bits in the GPLed co

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, "Scott Preece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > * Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> That's correct, but with a catch: since the contract or license is >> chosen by the licensor, in case of ambiguity in the ter

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > on the contrary, useing 'mv' is by far the cleanest way to do this. > > mv htdocs htdocs.old;mv htdocs.new htdocs > > this makes two atomic changes to the filesystem, but can generate thousands to > millions of permission changes as a result. OTOH

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, "Scott Preece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The FSF's approval of this distinction (ROM versus replaceable) places >> > the FSF's particular principles over users interests, for no >> > particular reason >> Over *users*

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Rob Landley wrote: > > Technically what they're holding back is _trademark_ rights, which are a > different area of IP law and not addressed by the GPL. (I know you know > this, but just for the record...) No, technically Red Hat really *does* have copyrights of their ow

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread James Morris
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Greg KH wrote: > Oh great, then things like source code control systems would have no > problems with new files being created under them, or renaming whole > trees. It depends -- I think we may be talking about different things. If you're using inotify to watch for new files

Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)

2007-06-15 Thread Oleg Verych
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:42:02AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:20:57PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote: > > > > > > I'm seeing this long (198) thread and just have no idea how it has > > > ended (wiki? hand-mailing?). > >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 15 June 2007 15:28:29 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:25:57 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> Is the signature not derived from the bits in the GPLed component, as > >> much as it is derived from the key? > > > > A

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 20:22:50 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > it irreversibly cuts off certain people from being to distribute > >>

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 15 June 2007 13:03:53 Linus Torvalds wrote: > But does Red Hat actually give you *all* the rights they > hold on the DVD? No, they definitely do not. They hold a > compilation copyright on RHEL, and they very much do *not* > give you the r

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do these stop a user's exercise of the four freedoms of a piece of software licensed under the GPL? --- I know you don't see it that way, but I still find it bizarre that "the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Friday 15 June 2007 19:39:57 Michael Gerdau wrote: > > > > What matters is *my* intent in *choosing* the GPLv2, not *his* > > > > intent in writing it. > > > > > > I beg to differ. By adopting _his_ license you adopted his view. [...] > > > > ianal, but fortunately that's not what the law is. Th

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's correct, but with a catch: since the contract or license is chosen by the licensor, in case of ambiguity in the terms, many courts will interpret it in a way that privileges the licensee,

Re: [BUG] Interesting race between cpufreq_ondemand and snd_atiixp

2007-06-15 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 02:33:41AM +0300, S.Çağlar Onur wrote: > One of our colleagues found following problem with his old laptop while > testing Linus's latest git with external alsa-driver (v1.0.14). And we can > also reproduce same problem with 2.6.18.8 so it seems not a new regression

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Scott Preece
On 6/15/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, "Scott Preece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That's not true. They can just as well throw the key away and refrain >> from modifying the installed software behind the users' back. > This characterization misses something i

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Tetsuo Handa
Crispin Cowan wrote: > In a smaller scale example, I want to share some files with a friend. I > can't be bothered to set up a proper access control system, so I just mv > the files to ~crispin/public_html/lookitme and in IRC say "get it now, > going away in 10 minutes" and then move it out again.

Re: My kernel hangs again: Help with git please

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Carlo Wood wrote: > Therefore I have the following questions: > > 1) What git command will ASSURE that I get the LATEST >kernel tree checked out? > > I tried this: > > hikaru:/usr/src/kernel/git/linux-2.6>git branch -l > * bisect > master > origin > hikaru:/usr/src/k

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 05:01:25PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:30:44PM -0700, Crispin Cowan wrote: > >> Greg KH wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:06:23PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > Only case where attacker _ca

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 05:18:10PM -0700, Seth Arnold wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:49:25PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > We have built a label-based AA prototype. It fails because there is no > > > reasonable way to address the tree renaming problem. > > > > How does inotify not work here? Y

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jun 15, 2007, Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > it irreversibly cuts off certain people from being to distribute >> > GPLv3-ed software alongside with certain types of hardwa

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > >>Under the restorecon proposal, the web site would be horribly broken > >>until restorecon finishes, as various random pages are or are not > >>accessible to Apache. > > > >Usually you don't do that by doing a 'mv' otherwise you are almost > >guaranteed stale and mixed up content for some p

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Seth Arnold
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:49:25PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > We have built a label-based AA prototype. It fails because there is no > > reasonable way to address the tree renaming problem. > > How does inotify not work here? You are notified that the tree is > moved, your daemon goes through and

[git patches] IDE fixes

2007-06-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
Please pull from: master.kernel.org:/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bart/ide-2.6.git/ to receive the following updates: drivers/ide/ide.c |9 ++--- drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.c |2 +- 2 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz (1): ide-scsi: fix O

Re: [-mm patch] drivers/ide/ide-dma.c: unexport ide_set_dma

2007-06-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Friday 15 June 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote: > ide_set_dma no longer has any modular user. > > Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> applied - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http:

My kernel hangs again: Help with git please

2007-06-15 Thread Carlo Wood
Somewhere between 2.6.18 and 2.6.19, a patch was added to the kernel that makes it hang on my machine after the message: apgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset. When I upgraded to 2.6.22-rc4 (from debian trunk), I still ran into this same bug. After installing git for the first time, I made my f

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Seth Arnold
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 01:39:14AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > Pavel, please focus on the current AppArmor implementation. You're > > remembering a flaw with a previous version of AppArmor. The pathnames > > constructed with the current version of AppArmor are consistent and > > correct. > > Ok

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > >> Only case where attacker _can't_ be keeping file descriptors is newly > >> created files in recently moved tree. But as you already create files > >> with restrictive permissions, that's okay. > >> > >> Yes, you may get some -EPERM during the tree move, but AA has that > >> problem alread

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread david
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:30:44PM -0700, Crispin Cowan wrote: Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:06:23PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: Only case where attacker _can't_ be keeping file descriptors is newly created files in recently moved tree. But as yo

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread alan
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Al Viro wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:13:54PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, Chris Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Obviously Linus feels that the spirit of the GPLv2 is exactly what he wanted spirit != letter. He liked the letter. He couldn't even

Re: [PATCH -rt] Fix TASKLET_STATE_SCHED WARN_ON()

2007-06-15 Thread Oleg Nesterov
On 06/15, john stultz wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 19:52 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > > > > Could you please look at the message below? I sent it privately near a month > > ago, but I think these problems are not fixed yet. > > Hmm. Maybe you sent it to others on the cc list, as I can't find

Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dvb_net.c: check-after-use

2007-06-15 Thread Trent Piepho
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote: > The Coverity checker spotted the following obvious check-after-use in > drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dvb_net.c: I spotted it before the patch was even applied: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/v4l-dvb-maintainer/2007-April/003917.html If only coverity would

Re: mm: Fix memory/cpu hotplug section mismatch and oops.

2007-06-15 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Randy Dunlap wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:02:41 +0900 Paul Mundt wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 06:32:32PM +0900, Yasunori Goto wrote: > > > Thanks. I tested compile with cpu/memory hotplug off/on. > > > It was OK. > > > > > > Acked-by: Yasunori Goto <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [PATCH] Introduce compat_u64 and compat_s64 types

2007-06-15 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 07:45 -0600, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > $ ./test > offset of foo->x is 8 > offset of bar->x is 4 Looks to me like bar (that is compat_s64) is doing the right thing, no ? Ben. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a messa

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Al Viro
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:13:54PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 15, 2007, Chris Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Obviously Linus feels that the spirit of the GPLv2 is exactly what > > he wanted > > spirit != letter. He liked the letter. He couldn't even tell spirit > from letter

Re: raid5: coding style cleanup / refactor

2007-06-15 Thread Dan Williams
On 6/15/07, Neil Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good idea... Am I asking too much to have separate things in separate patches? It makes review easier. ...yeah I got a little bit carried away after the refactoring. I will spin the refactoring out into a separate patch and handle the coding

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:30:44PM -0700, Crispin Cowan wrote: > Greg KH wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:06:23PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > * Renamed Directory trees: The above problem is compounded with > directory trees. Changing the name at the top of a large,

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 05:42:08PM -0400, James Morris wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Greg KH wrote: > > > > Or just create the files with restrictive labels by default. That way > > > you "fail closed". > > > > From my limited knowledge of SELinux, this is the default today so this > > would happ

Re: mm: Fix memory/cpu hotplug section mismatch and oops.

2007-06-15 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:02:41 +0900 Paul Mundt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 06:32:32PM +0900, Yasunori Goto wrote: > > Thanks. I tested compile with cpu/memory hotplug off/on. > > It was OK. > > > > Acked-by: Yasunori Goto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > It would be nice to have this for 2.6.22..

Re: [PATCH] ext4:fix unexpected error from ext4_reserve_global

2007-06-15 Thread Mingming Cao
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 19:29 +0400, Dmitriy Monakhov wrote: > I just cant belive my eyes then i saw this at the first time... > simple test: strace dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/file > Thanks for reporting it. > open("/dev/zero", O_RDONLY) = 0 > close(1)= 0

Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)

2007-06-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:20:57PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote: > > > > I'm seeing this long (198) thread and just have no idea how it has > > ended (wiki? hand-mailing?). > > I'm hoping it's not "ended". > > IOW, I really don't think we _resolved_

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > Yes, you may get some -EPERM during the tree move, but AA has that > > problem already, see that "when madly moving trees we sometimes > > construct path file never ever had". > > Pavel, please focus on the current AppArmor implementation. You're > remembering a flaw with a previous versi

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Michael Gerdau
> > > What matters is *my* intent in *choosing* the GPLv2, not *his* > > > intent in writing it. > > > > I beg to differ. By adopting _his_ license you adopted his view. [...] > > ianal, but fortunately that's not what the law is. The license says what > it says, and that is what controls. The

Re: [RFC] [PATCH] selective signal ptracing

2007-06-15 Thread Roland McGrath
> That might make sense if utrace ever looked like it would solve the > questions about platforms like ARM It certainly will. The only difficult limitations have been in communication and understanding. Please don't perpetuate a generic red herring without adding any content to the subject. Th

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-15 Thread David Miller
From: James Bottomley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:28:03 -0700 > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 16:08 -0700, David Miller wrote: > > From: James Bottomley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:40:42 -0700 > > > > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 14:19 -0700, David Miller wrote: > > > >

Re: [BUG] Interesting race between cpufreq_ondemand and snd_atiixp

2007-06-15 Thread S.Çağlar Onur
16 Haz 2007 Cts tarihinde, S.Çağlar Onur şunları yazmıştı: ... > 3. echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ^^^ performance Sorry for typo! >strace -o log -f -tttTTT mpg123 some.mp3 > > works without a problem [full log @ 3] Cheers -- S.Çağla

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-15 Thread Alexandre Oliva
> * Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > My experience with german courts has shown me that the judges I had >> > to deal with always and foremost did apply a reality check and did >> > not try to bisect the consequences like an algorithm evaluated by a >> > machine, i.e. the tried t

[BUG] Interesting race between cpufreq_ondemand and snd_atiixp

2007-06-15 Thread S.Çağlar Onur
Hi; One of our colleagues found following problem with his old laptop while testing Linus's latest git with external alsa-driver (v1.0.14). And we can also reproduce same problem with 2.6.18.8 so it seems not a new regression (if it is a regression). As a summary "sound stops to work if cpufre

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Seth Arnold
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:06:23PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > Yes, you may get some -EPERM during the tree move, but AA has that > problem already, see that "when madly moving trees we sometimes > construct path file never ever had". Pavel, please focus on the current AppArmor implementation. Yo

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-15 Thread Crispin Cowan
Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:06:23PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > * Renamed Directory trees: The above problem is compounded with directory trees. Changing the name at the top of a large, bushy tree can require instant relabeling of millions of files

Re: PC speaker

2007-06-15 Thread Phillip Susi
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jun 15 2007 13:07, Phillip Susi wrote: R.F. Burns wrote: However, over the past several weeks, the students have found more creative ways to abuse the PC speaker (outside of the OS.) The Powers that Be are asking that the PC speakers be disabled completely. With the s

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-15 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 16:08 -0700, David Miller wrote: > From: James Bottomley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:40:42 -0700 > > > On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 14:19 -0700, David Miller wrote: > > > Another quirk I have to deal with is that under LDOMs you > > > can export full disks and al

Re: [2/2] 2.6.22-rc4: known regressions v3

2007-06-15 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Michal Piotrowski wrote: > > Subject: hibernate(?) fails totally - regression > References : http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/1/401 > Submitter : David Greaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Handled-By : Rafael J. Wysocki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Caused-By : Tejun Heo <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PATCH 1/3] Make the IDE DMA timeout modifiable

2007-06-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Tuesday 12 June 2007, Sergei Shtylyov wrote: > Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > >>On Feb 20, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > > >>>On Wednesday 21 February 2007 02:19, Suleiman Souhlal wrote: > > It can be changed via /proc/ide/hd?/settings. > > >>>Why do we need to

Re: [PATCH 1/5] ide: add short cables support

2007-06-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Friday 15 June 2007, Sergei Shtylyov wrote: > Hello. > > Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > > > This patch allows users to override both host and device side cable > > detection > > with "ideX=ata66" kernel parameter. Thanks to this it should be now > > possible > > to use UDMA > 2 modes on

Re: [PATCH] never called printk statement in ide-taskfile.c::wait_drive_not_busy

2007-06-15 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
Hi, On Tuesday 05 June 2007, Masatake YAMATO wrote: > > On 06/04/2007 10:21 PM, Masatake YAMATO wrote: > > > diff --git a/drivers/ide/ide-taskfile.c b/drivers/ide/ide-taskfile.c > > > index 30175c7..5e05311 100644 > > > --- a/drivers/ide/ide-taskfile.c > > > +++ b/drivers/ide/ide-taskfile.c > > >

Re: RFC: Re: PATCH: udf fs corruption on linux-2.6

2007-06-15 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Jan Kara wrote: > > My fix for this problem is already sitting in Andrew's patch queue > (http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/11/79). Rich's patch still has a problem - you > cannot call udf_discard_prealloc() from drop_inode() because it is called > under inode_lock and thus you c

Re: [RFC] [PATCH] selective signal ptracing

2007-06-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not in favor of any enhancements to the ptrace interface. > It is a terrible interface and just needs to die. That might make sense if utrace ever looked like it would solve the questions about platforms lik

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