Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's in fact entirely possible that the long freezes have always been there, but the NOHZ option meant that we had much longer stretches of time without things like timer interrupts to jumble up the timing! So maybe the freezes existed before, but

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the cache line arbitration doesn't know anything about locked vs unlocked instructions (it could, but there really is no point). The real issue is that locked instructions on x86 are serializing, which makes them extremely slow (compared to

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2007-06-21T22:07:40, Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AA is supposed to allow valid access patterns, so for non-buggy apps + policies, the rename will be fine and does not change the (observed) permissions. That still breaks POSIX, right? Hopefully it will not break any apps,

Re: [1/2] 2.6.22-rc5: known regressions with patches v2

2007-06-21 Thread Michal Piotrowski
Linus Torvalds pisze: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Michal Piotrowski wrote: Subject: long freezes on thinkpad t60 References : http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/24/100 Submitter : Miklos Szeredi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Handled-By : Ingo Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patch : http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/16/81

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: I can understand why no data is saved by this change: gcc is aligning the next field to a natural boundary anyway and we dont really have arrays of spinlocks (fortunately). Actually, some data

NUMA BOF @OLS

2007-06-21 Thread Christoph Lameter
Everyone is invited to the NUMA BOF at the Ottawa Linux Symposium Friday Jun 29th, 2007 19:00 - 20:00 in Rockhopper The main interest seems to be a discussion on the use of memory policies. Lee Schermerhorn will talk a bit about his work and then I may say something about the problems with

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 21, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: If it's input-only, then you can't possibly harm the operation of the network by only listening in, can you? Ok, so you consider any anti-piracy measures to be something that GPLv3 should prohibit. In

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for (;;) { for (i = 0; i loops; i++) { if (__raw_write_trylock(lock-raw_lock)) return; __delay(1); } What a

Problematic __attribute__((section( ))) and gcc alignment

2007-06-21 Thread Mathieu Desnoyers
Hi, I just realized, working on my marker infrastructure, that a lot of __attribute__((section( ))) should probably come along with an aligned() attribute. Since there are no data structures of size greater or equal to 32 bytes put in these sections later referred to by __sectionname_start[] and

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Eric Dumazet
Linus Torvalds a écrit : On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: We don't do nesting locking either, for exactly the same reason. Are nesting locks easier? Absolutely. They are also almost always a sign of a *bug*. So making spinlocks and/or mutexes nest by default is just a way to

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: yeah. I think Linux is i think the only OS on the planet that is using the movb trick for unlock, it even triggered a hardware erratum ;) I'm pretty sure others do it too. Maybe not on an OS level (but I actually doubt that - I'd be surprised if

[patch] spinlock debug: make looping nicer

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who ever waits for a lock by busy-looping over it is BUGGY, dammit! btw., back then we also tried a spin_is_locked() based inner loop but it didnt help the -tree_lock lockups either. In any case i very much agree that the 'nicer' looping

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 21/06/07, Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] BTW, I should probably have made clear that, as usual, I was speaking my own mind, not speaking on behalf of FSFLA or Red Hat, with whom I'm associated, and certainly not on behalf of FSF, with whom I'm not associated. Just in case

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-21 Thread david
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: If it's input-only, then you can't possibly harm the operation of the network by only listening in, can you? Ok, so you consider any anti-piracy measures to be

RE: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread David Schwartz
Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of the GPLv3? Couldn't I take any GPLv3 program, combine it with a few lines of Linux code, and Tivoize the result? No. This is not permission to relicense. This is permission to combine. Each author still gets to enforce the terms of her

[PATCH] update procfs-guide doc of read_func

2007-06-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
The procfs-guide claims that 'the parameter start doesn't seem to be used anywhere in the kernel'. This is out of date. In linux/fs/proc/generic.c we find a very nice description of the parameters to read_func. The appended patch replaces the bogus description with this (as far as I know)

Re: [locking api] It's ok?

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Oliver Pinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! In all kernel version on my system already see this locking api result: it's OK: 145 out of 218 testcases failed, as expected. |

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: damn, i first wrote up an explanation about why that ugly __delay(1) is there (it almost hurts my eyes when i look at it!) but then deleted it as superfluous :-/ I'm fine with a delay, but the __delay(1) is simply not correct. It doesn't do

Re: [PATCH] hwmon/coretemp: Fix a broken error path - microcode update fix

2007-06-21 Thread Rudolf Marek
Hello Soeren, Sorry for the delay. I'm ccing all lists maybe some other people are interested. There is known errata AE18 which prevents coretemp from working correctly on some mobile Core processors (family 6 model e). My driver refuses to load and now thanks to soeren will not crash ;)

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-21 Thread Stephen Smalley
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 21:54 +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2007-06-21T15:42:28, James Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A veto is not a technical argument. All technical arguments (except for path name is ugly, yuk yuk!) have been addressed, have they not? AppArmor doesn't actually

Re: [patch] spinlock debug: make looping nicer

2007-06-21 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: btw., back then we also tried a spin_is_locked() based inner loop but it didnt help the -tree_lock lockups either. In any case i very much agree that the 'nicer' looping should be added again - the patch below does that. (build and boot tested)

[BUG] Sky2 driver in 2.6.22-rc5-git1-cfs-v17

2007-06-21 Thread Ian Kumlien
Hi, recently have started to see this in my dmesg: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out sky2 eth0: tx timeout sky2 eth0: transmit ring 449 .. 408 report=449 done=449 sky2 eth0: disabling interface sky2 eth0: enabling interface sky2 eth0: ram buffer 48K sky2 eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps,

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: damn, i first wrote up an explanation about why that ugly __delay(1) is there (it almost hurts my eyes when i look at it!) but then deleted it as superfluous :-/ I'm fine with a delay, but the

Re: [PATCH for 2.6.22] [6/10] x86: Only make Macintosh drivers default on Macs

2007-06-21 Thread Will Schmidt
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 20:54 +0200, Olaf Hering wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Will Schmidt wrote: I'll second that. The obvious gotcha is that on a G5, the windfarm drivers don't get automatically selected, thus the fans run at full speed, and

Re: [PATCH] Optional Beeping During Resume From Suspend To Ram.

2007-06-21 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
Hi, On Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:24, Nigel Cunningham wrote: On Thursday 21 June 2007 08:09:26 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: On Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:33, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: On Tuesday, 19 June 2007 13:18, Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi all Here's what I have after today's work.

Re: [Suspend-devel] [PATCH, 3rd try] make disable_console_suspend runtime configurable

2007-06-21 Thread Stefan Seyfried
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 03:20:08PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! No, i don't agree at all. In this case, no config needed == not possible to debug suspend problems. No, sorry. My proposed solution is figure out which console drivers can survive being on while machines go down,

RE: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread David Schwartz
Alexandre Oliva wrote: With a mere permission to combine, I can only enforce these provisions over my own code. What does my own code mean when we're talking about derivative works and code in the codebase influencing the design of later code? Code from one module gets copied into another.

Re: [patch] spinlock debug: make looping nicer

2007-06-21 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote: btw., back then we also tried a spin_is_locked() based inner loop but it didnt help the -tree_lock lockups either. In any case i very much agree that the 'nicer' looping should be added again - the

[PATCH] drop obsolete sys_ioctl export

2007-06-21 Thread Christoph Hellwig
sys_ioctl was only exported for our first version of compat ioctl handling. Now that the whole compat ioctl handling mess is more or less sorted out there are no more modular users left and we can kill it. There's one exception and that's sparc64's solaris compat module, but sparc64 has it's own

Re: [PATCH] drop obsolete sys_ioctl export

2007-06-21 Thread David Miller
From: Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:15:17 +0200 sys_ioctl was only exported for our first version of compat ioctl handling. Now that the whole compat ioctl handling mess is more or less sorted out there are no more modular users left and we can kill it.

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-21 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2007-06-21T16:59:54, Stephen Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or can access the data under a different path to which their profile does give them access, whether in its final destination or in some temporary file processed along the way. Well, yes. That is intentional. Your point is?

ACPI Regression on Dell E1501

2007-06-21 Thread Tim Gardner
Hi, Commit e9e2cdb412412326c4827fc78ba27f410d837e6e breaks boot on a Dell E1501 unless 'acpi=off' is specified (also tried nolapic and nohpet but it made no substantive difference). This laptop is an 'AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50' CPU, but its booting 32 bit SMP (make defconfig).

NUMA BOF @OLS

2007-06-21 Thread Al Boldi
Christoph Lameter wrote: Everyone is invited to the NUMA BOF at the Ottawa Linux Symposium Friday Jun 29th, 2007 19:00 - 20:00 in Rockhopper The main interest seems to be a discussion on the use of memory policies. Lee Schermerhorn will talk a bit about his work and then I may say

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-21 Thread Al Boldi
Adrian Bunk wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 04:41:28PM +0300, Al Boldi wrote: Adrian Bunk wrote: Talk is cheap, but unless YOU will do it your emails will only be a waste of bandwidth. Thanks, and good luck with involving people with this kind of response! It's simply how kernel

Re: [BUG] ide dma_timer_expiry, then hard lockup

2007-06-21 Thread Alan Cox
queue ? You are overestimating IDE ;) He's not -- there is queued commands support since ATA[PI]-5. I'm not sure why but Linux decided not to support it. Almost no hardware supports it and the functionality is really really ugly to use when it works at all - NCQ is rather more

Re: NFS Oops 2.6.20.14

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/18/2007 04:05 PM, Aaron Porter wrote: Reproducable, every time nfs-kernel-server exits: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 6b6b6b6f printing eip: f92a7751 *pde = 6b6b6b6b Oops: [#1] PREEMPT SMP Modules

Re: [PATCH] Check files' signatures before doing suid/sgid [2/4]

2007-06-21 Thread Johannes Schlumberger
Hi, If a process uses read() it needs some executable and writable memory. We do check for this in mprotect(). There is a problem with the i386-architecture, because it allows execution of any readable page (except with newer processors). But beyond that ugliness of i386, it should not be

Re: can't suspend on vaio sz (rc4 and rc5 are ok) [was Re: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2]

2007-06-21 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
On Thursday, 21 June 2007 21:39, Alan Stern wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: I'll see if I can reproduce your problem here. Yes, I can. It's only necessary to load usb-storage (without any devices actually using it) and it fails device_suspend() immediately (I

Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Zoltán HUBERT
Hello gentlemen (and ladies ?) As a power-user (NOT a hacker) I kindly ask you to please change the naming scheme and come back to the traditional model, and release a stable kernel while working on a develoment branch. I'm not on the [lkml] so should you answer please CC my e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: ACPI Regression on Dell E1501

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/21/2007 05:04 PM, Tim Gardner wrote: Hi, Commit e9e2cdb412412326c4827fc78ba27f410d837e6e breaks boot on a Dell E1501 unless 'acpi=off' is specified (also tried nolapic and nohpet but it made no substantive difference). This laptop is an 'AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50'

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/21/2007 05:49 PM, Zoltán HUBERT wrote: So I feel that a turning-point is coming where a really really really (x 15) stable and reliable kernel is NEEDED. I'll say. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Re: ACPI Regression on Dell E1501

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 17:47 -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: On 06/21/2007 05:04 PM, Tim Gardner wrote: Hi, Commit e9e2cdb412412326c4827fc78ba27f410d837e6e breaks boot on a Dell E1501 unless 'acpi=off' is specified (also tried nolapic and nohpet but it made no substantive difference). This

Re: [PATCH] hwmon/coretemp: Fix a broken error path - microcode update fix

2007-06-21 Thread Soeren Sonnenburg
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 22:57 +0200, Rudolf Marek wrote: Hello Soeren, Sorry for the delay. I'm ccing all lists maybe some other people are interested. There is known errata AE18 which prevents coretemp from working correctly on some mobile Core processors (family 6 model e). My driver

Re: [BUG] ide dma_timer_expiry, then hard lockup

2007-06-21 Thread Alan Cox
sd 0:0:0:0 [sda] Done: 0xeff3aba0 TIMEOUT sd 0:0:0:0 [sda] Result: host_byte=DID_OK driver_byte=DRV_OK, SUG_OK sd 0:0:0:0 [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 ... 00 08 00 sd 0:0:0:0 [sda] scsi host busy 1 failed 0 ata_scsi_timed_out: ENTER ata_scsi_timed_out: EXIT, ret=0 ata_port_flush_task:

Re: ACPI Regression on Dell E1501

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 23:55 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: X2 Mobile Technology TL-50' CPU, but its booting 32 bit SMP (make 1.) are you booting a 32bit or a 64 bit kernel ? Sigh, I'm too tired :) tglx - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Alan Cox
and we all know this. The un-ending stable ABI argument goes into this same direction. We don't have a stable ABI argument. Linus and others have repeatedly made this clear; Stable user space ABI is important (sysfs developers please note 8)). Stable kernel ABI/API not going to happen. So I

Re: ACPI Regression on Dell E1501

2007-06-21 Thread Tim Gardner
Thomas Gleixner wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 17:47 -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: On 06/21/2007 05:04 PM, Tim Gardner wrote: Hi, Commit e9e2cdb412412326c4827fc78ba27f410d837e6e breaks boot on a Dell E1501 unless 'acpi=off' is specified (also tried nolapic and nohpet but it made no substantive

Re: [RFC] Generic Trace Setup and Control (GTSC) kernel API (2/3)

2007-06-21 Thread David Wilder
I forgot to CC the list in my response to Alexey. I plan to address Alexey's concerns in a couple of days (as soon as I get past the OLS push). Alexey Dobriyan wrote: Can we get another user to justify this generalizing? Systemtap has plans to use the GTSC also. -- David Wilder IBM

USB: Take over usblp

2007-06-21 Thread Pete Zaitcev
Vojtech agreed to pass usblp over to me, so if you find bugs don't bug him. Signed-off-by: Pete Zaitcev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signed-off-by: Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- a/MAINTAINERS +++ b/MAINTAINERS @@ -3702,12 +3702,12 @@ L: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://pegasus2.sourceforge.net/

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Zoltán HUBERT
On Friday 22 June 2007 00:08, you wrote: So I feel that a turning-point is coming where a really really really (x 15) stable and reliable kernel is NEEDED. Its incredibly hard to keep a stable kernel side API/ABI by just backporting fixes. Fortunately you can pay vendors to do this for

Re: TUX2 filesystem

2007-06-21 Thread Zach Brown
Second, Oracle is now working on Btrfs (if ever a FS needed a better name... is that pronounced ButterFS?). (In our silliest moments, yes. Absolutely.) - z - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: Oops in a driver while using SLUB as a SLAB allocator

2007-06-21 Thread Hugh Dickins
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Nicolas Ferre wrote: While debugging a Linux driver on my ARM platform (AT91), I switched on the 2.6.22-rc5 kernel. While reconfiguring it I selected CONFIG_SLUB as a SLAB allocator. The sd/mmc driver I tried to run is vanilla driver which never, until now, produces

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 21/06/07, Zoltán HUBERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] All people who might read this know that traditionally stable releases are even numbered and development branches are odd numbered. This changed during late develoment of 2.6, according to my analysis because of the invention of GIT

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/21/2007 06:29 PM, Jesper Juhl wrote: I myself have argued that we should be focusing more on stability and regression fixing, but I'm not so sure that a 2.6.7 devel branch would solve this. In general the 2.6.x.y -stable kernels seem to be doing the job pretty good. Even the good

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Stefan Richter
Zoltán HUBERT wrote: So I feel that a turning-point is coming where a really really really (x 15) stable and reliable kernel is NEEDED. Not satisfied with 2.6.16.y or one of the enterprise distro kernels? -- Stefan Richter -=-=-=== -==- =-==- http://arcgraph.de/sr/ - To unsubscribe from

Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi all, you might know that since ~ 2 years, the Sun Studio compilers are available for Linux. Given the fact that they typically produce faster code than GCC and that they offer more debug/optimizing features, they are worth testing. While it is no problem to use Sun Studio for

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Zoltán HUBERT
On Friday 22 June 2007 00:29, Jesper Juhl wrote: You might think it's easy for me to simply use Linux and complain while you're doing the hard stuff. As it happens, the current development/stable model makes our life as users more and more difficult. In what way? Well, I'm using SuSE

Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-21 Thread Matt Mackall
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:20:59AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: On Wed, Jun 20 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:14 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: On Wed, Jun 20 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: Perhaps our queues are too long - if the VFS _does_ back off, it'll take some time for

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Zoltán HUBERT
On Friday 22 June 2007 00:52, Stefan Richter wrote: Zoltán HUBERT wrote: So I feel that a turning-point is coming where a really really really (x 15) stable and reliable kernel is NEEDED. Not satisfied with 2.6.16.y or one of the enterprise distro kernels? so why not call this a day and

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:34:20PM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: Even the good ones that get lots of fixes aren't all that good. The biggest problem ATM is that suspend is badly broken and keeps getting worse... I wasn't under the impression suspend had really ever worked. Such a messy problem

Re: mm snapshot broken-out-2007-06-20-10-12.tar.gz uploaded

2007-06-21 Thread Andrew Morton
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:33:18 -0700 Jeremy Fitzhardinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: git-r8169-fixup.patch This causes a compile failure: /home/jeremy/hg/xen/paravirt/linux/drivers/net/r8169.c: In function 'rtl8169_rx_interrupt':

Re: Terrible IO performance when using 4GB of RAM on a 32 bit machine

2007-06-21 Thread Peter Rabbitson
H. Peter Anvin wrote: Peter Rabbitson wrote: I have captured dmesg output without mem[5], with mem=3900M[6] and mem=2048M[7]. What does /proc/mtrr look like in the two cases? Identical for mem=3900 and without it. reg00: base=0x ( 0MB), size=2048MB: write-back, count=1 reg01:

iTCO_wdt stops CPU fan control

2007-06-21 Thread Keith Chew
Hi After many hours to testing, we found that the Hardware Watchdog Timer module causes our motherboard's BIOS CPU fan control to stop controlling the fan. On Linux bootup, the fan speed stays constant all the time. Setup: - kernel 2.6.20.1 and 2.6.21.5 - iTCO_wdt loaded with ICH4 chip on

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Rene Herman
On 06/21/2007 11:49 PM, Zoltán HUBERT wrote: Please consider that we are living in a REAL world, and not Disney-Land. Well, I don't know about that so much; I've always thought Linus bears a striking resemblance to Mickey Mouse. More to the point though -- could you please consider just

Re: limits on raid

2007-06-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
I didn't get a comment on my suggestion for a quick and dirty fix for -assume-clean issues... Bill Davidsen wrote: Neil Brown wrote: On Thursday June 14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's now churning away 'rebuilding' the brand new array. a few questions/thoughts. why does it need to do a

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Al Viro
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:15:03PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:39:07AM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: - the kernel Linux could use code from GPLv3 projects ... and inherit GPLv3 additional restrictions. No.

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 22/06/07, Zoltán HUBERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 June 2007 00:29, Jesper Juhl wrote: You might think it's easy for me to simply use Linux and complain while you're doing the hard stuff. As it happens, the current development/stable model makes our life as users more and

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/21/2007 07:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:34:20PM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: Even the good ones that get lots of fixes aren't all that good. The biggest problem ATM is that suspend is badly broken and keeps getting worse... I wasn't under the impression

Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-21 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Matt Mackall wrote: Perhaps we want to throw some sliding window algorithms at it. We can bound requests and total I/O and if requests get retired too slowly we can shrink the windows. Alternately, we can grow the window if we're retiring things within our desired

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 21, 2007, Jesper Juhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/06/07, Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] BTW, I should probably have made clear that, as usual, I was speaking my own mind, not speaking on behalf of FSFLA or Red Hat, with whom I'm associated, and certainly not on

Re: NUMA BOF @OLS

2007-06-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Christoph Lameter wrote: If you have another subject that should be brought up then please contact me. - Interface for preallocating hugetlbfs pages per node instead of system wide - architecture independent in-kernel API for enumerating CPU sockets with multicore

Re: build failure due to ROOT_DEV in mtd module (was Re: linux-2. 6.22-rc5-g7c8545e build #298 failed ...)

2007-06-21 Thread Marc St-Jean
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 04:13:27 EST, Satyam Sharma wrote: On 6/21/07, Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 12:22:01PM +0530, Satyam Sharma wrote: The build seems to fail because of: ERROR: ROOT_DEV [drivers/mtd/maps/nettel.ko] undefined! After taking a

Re: inotify and /proc?

2007-06-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Thursday 21 June 2007, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I'd like to make a read-only /proc file which supports inotify -- that is, the kernel can send change notifications to userland via the inotify mechanism.  I've found fsnotify_modify() (in include/linux/fsnotify.h) which seems to do what I

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 22/06/07, Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, Jesper Juhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/06/07, Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] BTW, I should probably have made clear that, as usual, I was speaking my own mind, not speaking on behalf of FSFLA or Red

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:57:33AM +0200, Zolt?n HUBERT wrote: Well, I'm using SuSE Pro 9.3 (excellent choice by the way), coming with kernel 2.6.10-SuSE, on a ATI laptop, and the drivers privided wouldn't compile (suspend freinds). The SATA disks were only supported from 2.6.15 (which

Re: [BUG?]Set XIP mount option on ext2 bypass check.

2007-06-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Carsten Otte wrote: This is an updated version of my bugfix patch. Yan Zheng pointed out, that ext2_remount lacks checking if -o xip should be enabled or not. This patch checks for presence of direct_access on the backing block device and if the blocksize meets the

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 21, 2007, David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of the GPLv3? Couldn't I take any GPLv3 program, combine it with a few lines of Linux code, and Tivoize the result? No. This is not permission to relicense. This is permission to

Re: Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-21 Thread david
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Is there some hope that at least the Linux kernel interface definition files and everything recursively included from these files will be rewritten in vanilla ANSI C? this has been discussed many times and the answer is that the kernel is not gong

Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

2007-06-21 Thread John Johansen
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:21:07PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2007-06-21T22:07:40, Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus IIRC we have something like AA has to allocate path-sized buffers along every syscall. That is an implementation bug though. I'm sure we have other

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jun 22 2007 00:29, Jesper Juhl wrote: On 21/06/07, Zoltán HUBERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] All people who might read this know that traditionally stable releases are even numbered and development branches are odd numbered. This changed during late develoment of 2.6, according to my

Re: Fix signalfd interaction with thread-private signals

2007-06-21 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 22:58 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote: No stealing. No signalfd, no *nothing*. Just normal signal behaviour. _Another_ thread could steal SIGSEGV via read(signalfd) without Ben's patch. This is what Ben and Davide are worried about. I think we should not worry, we have

Re: Writing a driver for a legacy serial device

2007-06-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Jean Delvare wrote: I2C bus drivers have to be implemented in the kernel, so user-space isn't an option for me. Well, you could have an i2c_algorithm that exports a character device node to user space, and then have a trivial user application that simply relays between

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread david
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jun 22 2007 00:29, Jesper Juhl wrote: On 21/06/07, Zoltán HUBERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] All people who might read this know that traditionally stable releases are even numbered and development branches are odd numbered. This changed

Re: [patch] alpha: fix alignment problem in csum_ipv6_magic()

2007-06-21 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:20:20 +0400 Ivan Kokshaysky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully this fixes http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8635 The struct in6_addr passed to csum_ipv6_magic() is 4 byte aligned, so we can't use the regular 64-bit loads. Since the cost of handling of 4 byte

Re: how about mutual compatibility between Linux's GPLv2 and GPLv3?

2007-06-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 21, 2007, David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seriously suggesting that the Linux kernel source contain code with various different licenses It already does. All the way from permissive Free Software licenses to GPLv2-incompatible non-Free Software licenses. Over time,

Re: Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Is there some hope that at least the Linux kernel interface definition files and everything recursively included from these files will be rewritten in vanilla ANSI C? this has been discussed many times and the

Re: This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?].

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:01:19AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote: ... The -mm kernel already implements what your proposed PTS would do. Plus it gives testers more or less all patches currently pending inclusion into Linus' tree in one kernel they

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Chuck Ebbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 06/21/2007 07:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:34:20PM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: Even the good ones that get lots of fixes aren't all that good. The biggest problem ATM is that suspend is badly broken and keeps getting

Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0

2007-06-21 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 19:08 -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: On 06/21/2007 07:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 06:34:20PM -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: Even the good ones that get lots of fixes aren't all that good. The biggest problem ATM is that suspend is badly broken and

Re: This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?].

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: ... This is why I've been advocating bugzilla forget stuff, for example. I tend to see bugzilla as a place where noise accumulates, rather than a place where noise is made into a signal. Which gets my to the real issue I

[RFC: 2.6 patch] allow disabling DNOTIFY without EMBEDDED

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
This patch allows disabling DNOTIFY with CIONFIG_EMBEDDED=n. I'm currently running a kernel with dnotify disabled and I haven't run into any problem. Is there any popular application left that breaks without dnotify support in the kernel? Note that this patch does not remove dnotify support,

[RFC: 2.6.22 patch] don't offer DISPLAY_SUPPORT for now

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
DISPLAY_SUPPORT offers support code without any users currently in the tree. For a user it's quite confusing that the help text talks about proper drivers when none are available. This patch therefore lets DISPLAY_SUPPORT depend on BROKEN until there will be user. Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk

Re: Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-21 Thread Arjan van de Ven
Cdrtools ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ offer support for an OS dependent SCSI transport. Cdrtools cannot be compiled wihout support for SCSI transport, so it is impossible to use Sun Studio to compile cdrtools. Why does this happen? Well, the reason is that in order to

[2.6 patch] cafe_nand.c: the OLPC laptop is not available for $100

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
The price might drop to $100 in a few years. But currently, a more reasonable name might be $175 laptop. Let's simply call it OLPC laptop without any price tag. Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- linux-2.6.22-rc4-mm2/drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig.old 2007-06-21

[RFC: 2.6 patch] schedule BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA for removal

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
Users should use the libata based drivers for SATA drives. Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- linux-2.6.22-rc4-mm2/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt.old 2007-06-21 23:41:03.0 +0200 +++ linux-2.6.22-rc4-mm2/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt

[-mm patch] mark calibrate_xor_blocks() __init

2007-06-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:03:13PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: ... Changes since 2.6.22-rc4-mm1: ... git-md-accel.patch ... git trees ... calibrate_xor_blocks() can be marked __init. Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- linux-2.6.22-rc4-mm2/crypto/xor.c.old 2007-06-21

Re: Broadcom (bnx2) on PE1950/2950 failure

2007-06-21 Thread Robert Hancock
Fortier,Vincent [Montreal] wrote: Here is part of the dmesg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# dmesg | grep -i eth [ 119.196375] Broadcom NetXtreme II Gigabit Ethernet Driver bnx2 v1.5.8.1 (May 7, 2007) [ 119.215023] eth0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B2) PCI-X 64-bit 133MHz found at mem

Re: Fix signalfd interaction with thread-private signals

2007-06-21 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: Yeah well... I wanted to have the least surprise path... that is, without my patch, signalfd will sometimes steal the SIGSEGV depending on who races to the lock first Oh, absolutely. I thought we all agreed that Ben's patch was the right

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 21, 2007, Andrew McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jun 21, 2007, Andrew McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A balance of freedom to the licensee and the licenser. It's my opinion that GPLv3 potentially shifts the balance too far to the licensee. It's more of a

Re: Linux Kernel include files

2007-06-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Friday 22 June 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this has been discussed many times and the answer is that the kernel is not gong to change it's side of things to ANSI C. I don't think that's entirely true with regard to the include files. We have always tried not to step on anyone's toes

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