Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Zuccato
Lee Mathers ha scritto: Now we have hardware ASIC that depend on the most part a (dll in windows) or .ko .o file under linux to provide the entire instruction set. Think Winmodems, Winprinters etc Well, winmodem case is the only I could *almost* understand closed-source drivers: the

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: Precisely: One purpose of the driver is to enforce local compliance. It can't *enforce* it anyway, at least if the users are all around the world. Yes it can. You're confusing the software with different or modified software. Different things. And by the way, if

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: Precisely: One purpose of the driver is to enforce local compliance. It can't *enforce* it anyway, at least if the users are all around the world. Yes it can. You're confusing the software with different or modified software. Different things. And by the way, if

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Zuccato
Lee Mathers ha scritto: Now we have hardware ASIC that depend on the most part a (dll in windows) or .ko .o file under linux to provide the entire instruction set. Think Winmodems, Winprinters etc Well, winmodem case is the only I could *almost* understand closed-source drivers: the

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: That's naive, since requirements differ in different jurisdictions, as I'm sure you are perfectly aware. Naive? Who thinks a limit can be enforced by sw is naive! He's missing a little detail: Internet. :-) Precisely: One purpose of the driver is to enforce local

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: "Of course", because in many parts of the world, a device who's manufacturer fails to take reasonable steps to prevent it from being used outside regulatory limits is illegal. Providing source code not only is a failure to take those reasonable steps, but is quite

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
Christer Weinigel ha scritto: I think it is perfectly within their rights to do so. I think it's kind of silly to try to hide it, if someone wants to boost the maximum transmit power, they're going to hack the firmware anyway. But if it makes Intel happy, well... :-) And break the HW :-)

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
Christer Weinigel ha scritto: I think it is perfectly within their rights to do so. I think it's kind of silly to try to hide it, if someone wants to boost the maximum transmit power, they're going to hack the firmware anyway. But if it makes Intel happy, well... :-) And break the HW :-)

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: Of course, because in many parts of the world, a device who's manufacturer fails to take reasonable steps to prevent it from being used outside regulatory limits is illegal. Providing source code not only is a failure to take those reasonable steps, but is quite the

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: That's naive, since requirements differ in different jurisdictions, as I'm sure you are perfectly aware. Naive? Who thinks a limit can be enforced by sw is naive! He's missing a little detail: Internet. :-) Precisely: One purpose of the driver is to enforce local

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-04 Thread Diego Zuccato
Christer Weinigel ha scritto: It isn't that easy. The "Tamper-Proof Torx" screws on a vacuum cleaner or a toaster won't stop anybody from opening up the thing, I mean every little hardware store stocks those Torx bits. But by using a slightly odd screw, the company can say "look, we'we done

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-04 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: This does, of course, disadvantage Linux with respect to many classes of devices, for example GSM transceivers when used in those parts of the world^ where regulatory requirements prohibit modification of power or frequency settings, which effectively prohibits

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-04 Thread Diego Zuccato
David Newall ha scritto: This does, of course, disadvantage Linux with respect to many classes of devices, for example GSM transceivers when used in those parts of the world^ where regulatory requirements prohibit modification of power or frequency settings, which effectively prohibits

Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

2008-02-04 Thread Diego Zuccato
Christer Weinigel ha scritto: It isn't that easy. The Tamper-Proof Torx screws on a vacuum cleaner or a toaster won't stop anybody from opening up the thing, I mean every little hardware store stocks those Torx bits. But by using a slightly odd screw, the company can say look, we'we done

Re: REGRESSION: 2.6.24: false double-clicks from USB mouse

2007-12-06 Thread Diego Zuccato
Jiri Kosina ha scritto: >> My USB mouse recently started giving me phantom scrolls (movements of >> the mouse wheel, even I made sure the wheel was in a resting position) >> in recently kernels. It happened too infrequently for me to care. > Did this also start in 2.6.24, as in Mark's case? It

Re: REGRESSION: 2.6.24: false double-clicks from USB mouse

2007-12-06 Thread Diego Zuccato
Jiri Kosina ha scritto: My USB mouse recently started giving me phantom scrolls (movements of the mouse wheel, even I made sure the wheel was in a resting position) in recently kernels. It happened too infrequently for me to care. Did this also start in 2.6.24, as in Mark's case? It

Re: [Linux-usb-users] [SOLVED] Serial buffer corruption [was Re: FTDI usb-serial possible bug]

2007-05-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
Paul Fulghum ha scritto: > There is no one policy here that will make everyone happy. > Some will want all the data before some was lost, > others the data after some was lost. IMVHO the only sane thing is ALWAYS avoid "holes" (some old data, then the "hole" of lost data, then some new data) after

Re: [Linux-usb-users] [SOLVED] Serial buffer corruption [was Re: FTDI usb-serial possible bug]

2007-05-07 Thread Diego Zuccato
Paul Fulghum ha scritto: There is no one policy here that will make everyone happy. Some will want all the data before some was lost, others the data after some was lost. IMVHO the only sane thing is ALWAYS avoid holes (some old data, then the hole of lost data, then some new data) after a