Re: Possible freezing bug located after ac13

2001-06-23 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've recently been going slightly nuts with the fact ac15, 16, and 17 > all like deadlocking/slowing to a crawl for seconds/minutes on my K6-III > with 64MB of ram and a swap space of 128MB... > > Recently I noticed something VERY odd, I'd been keepi

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > One we know how we would 'train' our little VM critter, we > will know how to measure its performance. Once we have measures, we > can have good benchmarks. Once we have good benchmarks - we can pick > a good VM alg. > > Or heck, let's j

Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Anuradha Ratnaweera wrote: > It is not uncommon to have a large number of tmp files on the disk(s) > (Rik also pointed this out somewhere early in the original thread) and > it is sensible to keep all of them in buffers if RAM is sufficient. > Transfering _very_ large files i

RE: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Luigi Genoni wrote: > > > no SMP > > > x86 only (and similar, e.g. Crusoe) > > > Is this a joke? > I hope it is. Must be. I mean, who wants "rtlinux by default" and a FORTH interpreter in the kernel ? ;) Either the guy's box got rooted and somebody sent an email in his

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Colonel wrote: > It's simple. I want the old reliable behavior back, the one I found > in kernels from 1.1.41 thru 2.2.14. And which one would that be ? Note that there have been 4 different VM subsystems in that time and the kernel has made the transition from the buffer

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > Uhh. That's not what I was ranting about. What I was > ranting about is that we have never 'put to paper' the > requirements ('motiviations') for a good VM, nor have we > looked at said nonexistent list and figured out what instrumentation > woul

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 03:26:13PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > > > Uhh. That's not what I was ranting about. What I was > > > ranting about is that we have never '

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 04:29:09PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > Over the last year there has been quite a bit of discussion > > with Stephen Tweedie, Matt Dillon and more people. Parts of > > it can be found on http://linu

Re: Any limitations on bigmem usage?

2001-06-12 Thread Rik van Riel
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: > Brilliant. You need what, a 6x larger cache just to break even with > the amount of time you're running in-cache? That's going to be hard, since the cache will also need to be faster in order to feed the CPU core. Making a cache both larger AND faster

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > Well I thought that it was time for me to give some feedback to > the linux community. So I will tell you guys a little of my > experience with linux so far. Two words: "send patches" Please put your money where your mouth is. I mean, it's ok if you s

Re: GCC3.0 Produce REALLY slower code!

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Alexander V. Bilichenko wrote: > Some tests that I have recently check out. kernel compiled with > 3.0 (2.4.5) function call: 100 iteration. 3% slower than > 2.95. test example - hash table add/remove - 4% slower (compiled > both with -O2 -march=i686). > Why have this ve

Re: all processes waiting in TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE state

2001-06-25 Thread Rik van Riel
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Jeff Dike wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Can you give more details? Was there an aic7xxx scsi driver on the > > box? run_task_queue(&tq_disk) should eventually unlock those pages but > > they remain locked. I am trying to narrow it down to fs/buffer code > > or the SCS

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-25 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Colonel wrote: > >May I suggested an algorithm? > > > > - Write down what you think the optimization constraints are. > >(be specific, for example, enumerate all the flavors of page types - > >process code, process data, page cache file data, page cache swap > >c

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-25 Thread Rik van Riel
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Colonel wrote: > As a physicist, I learned long ago that if you cannot use the back of > an envelope and explain your theory to a secretary, you do not > understand it. It has only been revealed recently where some VM > design information may be hidden, and it's apparently o

Re: VM tuning through fault trace gathering [with actual code]

2001-06-25 Thread Rik van Riel
On 25 Jun 2001, John Fremlin wrote: > Last year I had the idea of tracing the memory accesses of the system > to improve the VM - the traces could be used to test algorithms in > userspace. The difficulty is of course making all memory accesses > fault without destroying system performance. Soun

Re: all processes waiting in TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE state

2001-06-26 Thread Rik van Riel
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Christian Ehrhardt wrote: > > I've seen this under UML, Rik van Riel has seen it on a physical box, and we > > suspect that they're the same problem (i.e. mine isn't a UML-specific bug). > > Could it be smbfs? No. I've seen the hang

Re: When the FUD is all around (sniff).

2001-06-26 Thread Rik van Riel
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > The Repubblica article was bad enough, but if you want serious kernel FUD > you should see this bit of delight on AsiaBizTech: > > http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/fw/133671 If anybody is interested in ressurecting h

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