Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:31:14 -0500 Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It looks like it's time? If so, what should I set the date to? > > Looks good to me. I'd suggest that we change the printk's to refer to a > release version and state that it will be removed in for 2.6.26 (or > 2.6.27

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Steve French
On Feb 5, 2008 2:18 AM, Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought > > Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to be > >

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Alejandro Riveira Fernández
El Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:18:05 -0800 Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > struct smb_fattr root; > int ver; > void *mem; > + static int warn_count; > + > + if (warn_count < 5) { > + warn_count++; > + printk(KERN_EMERG "smbfs is deprecated

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Jeff Layton
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:18:05 -0800 Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought > > Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Andrew Morton
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought > Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to be > deprecated, and then remove them 2 releases later. That seems like a > sensible

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Andrew Morton
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to be deprecated, and then remove them 2 releases later. That seems like a sensible policy

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Jeff Layton
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:18:05 -0800 Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to be

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Alejandro Riveira Fernández
El Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:18:05 -0800 Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: struct smb_fattr root; int ver; void *mem; + static int warn_count; + + if (warn_count 5) { + warn_count++; + printk(KERN_EMERG smbfs is deprecated and will be

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Steve French
On Feb 5, 2008 2:18 AM, Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:41:03 -0500 Jeff Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with targeting smbfs for removal, but I thought Andrew had an unofficial policy that we should first mark things to be deprecated, and

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-02-05 Thread Andrew Morton
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:31:14 -0500 Jeff Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like it's time? If so, what should I set the date to? Looks good to me. I'd suggest that we change the printk's to refer to a release version and state that it will be removed in for 2.6.26 (or 2.6.27 if

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 30 2008 19:23, Steve French wrote: >> On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: >> >I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other >> >than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). >> > For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-31 Thread Andi Kleen
"Steve French" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > There are four common issues with mounting to these very old servers: > 1) remembering to mount specifying lanman security (sec=lanman) > 2) remembering to specify the netbios name of the server on mount > (which is often not be the same as its tcp

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-31 Thread AstralStorm
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:30:55 -0600 "Steve French" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 7:13 PM, Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:17 +0200 > > > > > > > In addition, cifs cannot completely replace smbfs atm. > > > > > > > Even todays sold NAS-boxes

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-31 Thread Andi Kleen
Steve French [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are four common issues with mounting to these very old servers: 1) remembering to mount specifying lanman security (sec=lanman) 2) remembering to specify the netbios name of the server on mount (which is often not be the same as its tcp name) - we

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 30 2008 19:23, Steve French wrote: On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 7:34 PM, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 02:47:17AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > smbfs has the unfortunate quality of momentum. A lot of users aren't > > > aware of CIFS at all since smbfs basically does what they need it to > > > do. Some

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 8:23 PM, Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31 2008 12:33, David Newall wrote: > >Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >> On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: > >> > >>> I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other > >>> than a few restrictions

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2008 12:33, David Newall wrote: >Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: >> >>> I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other >>> than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). >>> For mounts to Windows98 note

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread David Newall
Jan Engelhardt wrote: > On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: > >> I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other >> than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). >> For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server >> netbios

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 02:47:17AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > smbfs has the unfortunate quality of momentum. A lot of users aren't > > aware of CIFS at all since smbfs basically does what they need it to > > do. Some extra warning for those users would be nice. > And many users will start

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 7:13 PM, Jeff Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:17 +0200 > > > > > > In addition, cifs cannot completely replace smbfs atm. > > > > > > Even todays sold NAS-boxes (often running anchient > > > > > > samba-2.x.x) work only with smbfs on the client side. I

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 1:05 PM, Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: > >I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other > >than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). > > For mounts to Windows98 note that

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:17 +0200 Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:34:12PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 > > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > >

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > Some of our older products use smbfs, but our newer stuff (RHEL5 and > up) have smbfs disabled. Fedora has had smbfs disabled for quite some > time as well. I've heard very few complaints (though maybe they're just > not getting to

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:34:12PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 > > > Guenter Kukkukk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 > > Guenter Kukkukk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > > > > I

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 > Guenter Kukkukk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > > > I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for > > > completely replacing

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Guenter Kukkukk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > > I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for > > completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed > > removing smbfs back in 2005

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Guenter Kukkukk
Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for > completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed removing > smbfs back in 2005 due to smbfs being unmaintained. > > CIFS has improved since, smbfs is still

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Guenter Kukkukk
Am Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Steve French: > I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other > than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). > For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server > netbios name on the mount (since

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: >I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other >than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). > For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server >netbios name on the mount (since it is not

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server netbios name on the mount (since it is not the same as the DNS name). In your example your

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 29 2008 00:08, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for >completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed removing >smbfs back in 2005 due to smbfs being unmaintained. > >CIFS has improved since, smbfs is still unmaintained, and

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 29 2008 00:08, Adrian Bunk wrote: I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed removing smbfs back in 2005 due to smbfs being unmaintained. CIFS has improved since, smbfs is still unmaintained, and it's

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server netbios name on the mount (since it is not the same as the DNS name). In your example your

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server netbios name on the mount (since it is not the

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Guenter Kukkukk
Am Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Steve French: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server netbios name on the mount (since it

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Guenter Kukkukk
Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed removing smbfs back in 2005 due to smbfs being unmaintained. CIFS has improved since, smbfs is still unmaintained,

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Guenter Kukkukk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for completely replacing the unmaintained smbfs when we discussed removing smbfs back in 2005 due to

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Guenter Kukkukk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: I remember that there were some small things missing in CIFS for completely replacing the

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Guenter Kukkukk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Adrian Bunk: I remember that there

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:34:12PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Guenter Kukkukk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: Some of our older products use smbfs, but our newer stuff (RHEL5 and up) have smbfs disabled. Fedora has had smbfs disabled for quite some time as well. I've heard very few complaints (though maybe they're just not getting to me).

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Layton
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:17 +0200 Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 07:34:12PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:58:10 +0200 Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:41:03PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote: On Wed, 30 Jan

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 1:05 PM, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 7:13 PM, Jeff Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:17 +0200 In addition, cifs cannot completely replace smbfs atm. Even todays sold NAS-boxes (often running anchient samba-2.x.x) work only with smbfs on the client side. I am not convinced

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 02:47:17AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: smbfs has the unfortunate quality of momentum. A lot of users aren't aware of CIFS at all since smbfs basically does what they need it to do. Some extra warning for those users would be nice. And many users will start whining

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2008 12:33, David Newall wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread David Newall
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the file times via utimes). For mounts to Windows98 note that you have to specify the server netbios name on the

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 8:23 PM, Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31 2008 12:33, David Newall wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2008 12:53, Steve French wrote: I have mounted to Windows98 a few months ago with no problems (other than a few restrictions like you can't set the

Re: [2.6 patch] remove smbfs

2008-01-30 Thread Steve French
On Jan 30, 2008 7:34 PM, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 02:47:17AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: smbfs has the unfortunate quality of momentum. A lot of users aren't aware of CIFS at all since smbfs basically does what they need it to do. Some extra warning