Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hi! > > I don't feel that is true at all, what we are doing here is providing a > > well-documented way toward compliance and the reinstatement of our > > license.  That's a key issue with regards to the existing trolls we are > > currently facing today, which we have to address in order to

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hi! > > I don't feel that is true at all, what we are doing here is providing a > > well-documented way toward compliance and the reinstatement of our > > license.  That's a key issue with regards to the existing trolls we are > > currently facing today, which we have to address in order to

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hello all, i'am new in the community. For me the intention of the document is clear but is very spongy written. It leaves a lot of interpretations and unclear to me. Who is the community and who is we ? The names in the document ? In my opinion, the list is incomplete or is that the community

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hello all, i'am new in the community. For me the intention of the document is clear but is very spongy written. It leaves a lot of interpretations and unclear to me. Who is the community and who is we ? The names in the document ? In my opinion, the list is incomplete or is that the community

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hello all, i'am new in the community. For me the intention of the document is clear but is very spongy written. It leaves a lot of interpretations and unclear to me. Who is the community and who is we ? The names in the document ? In my opinion, the list is incomplete or is that the community ?

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hello all, i'am new in the community. For me the intention of the document is clear but is very spongy written. It leaves a lot of interpretations and unclear to me. Who is the community and who is we ? The names in the document ? In my opinion, the list is incomplete or is that the community ?

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 04:11:14PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > The people signing there effectively say: "we, to big extend, limit > our options to call for expedient permanent license revocation" - the > only thing that will ever tickle a commercial entity. This makes no sense. If a

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 04:11:14PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > The people signing there effectively say: "we, to big extend, limit > our options to call for expedient permanent license revocation" - the > only thing that will ever tickle a commercial entity. This makes no sense. If a

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

>If you don't agree with this, that's great, don't sign onto the >agreement. But as you don't seem to be part of our community in the >first place, I don't really understand your concern here at all. My last patch submitted to kernel was over a decade ago, yes I have not much say here. My worry

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

>If you don't agree with this, that's great, don't sign onto the >agreement. But as you don't seem to be part of our community in the >first place, I don't really understand your concern here at all. My last patch submitted to kernel was over a decade ago, yes I have not much say here. My worry

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:16:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > If you say that your lawyers have comprehensively researched that, > I can't say they did a good job. Is there a open source knowledgable lawyer that you recommend we work with in place of the ones that were consulted for this

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 10:16:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > If you say that your lawyers have comprehensively researched that, > I can't say they did a good job. Is there a open source knowledgable lawyer that you recommend we work with in place of the ones that were consulted for this

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 06:28:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Modification of GPL V2 terms are explicitly disallowed. Greg KH replied at 03:29 (US/Eastern) on Friday: >> Again, we are not modifying the license, so all should be fine I agree with Greg; the Linux Kernel Enforcement Statement

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 06:28:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Modification of GPL V2 terms are explicitly disallowed. Greg KH replied at 03:29 (US/Eastern) on Friday: >> Again, we are not modifying the license, so all should be fine I agree with Greg; the Linux Kernel Enforcement Statement

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

If you say that your lawyers have comprehensively researched that, I can't say they did a good job. Almost every line sounds close to being a contractual agreement. If you say that this is only a personal promise, you have to state that. Like writing "this is not a an addendum to license terms and

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

If you say that your lawyers have comprehensively researched that, I can't say they did a good job. Almost every line sounds close to being a contractual agreement. If you say that this is only a personal promise, you have to state that. Like writing "this is not a an addendum to license terms and

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 07:25:37PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:28:12 +0300 > Pavel Nikulin wrote: > > > Hold! > > > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? > > In many parts of the world if you make a promise about not

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 07:25:37PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:28:12 +0300 > Pavel Nikulin wrote: > > > Hold! > > > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? > > In many parts of the world if you make a promise about not enforcing a > right to

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:28:12 +0300 Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Hold! > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? In many parts of the world if you make a promise about not enforcing a right to take some action (sometimes even an implied one) you

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:28:12 +0300 Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Hold! > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? In many parts of the world if you make a promise about not enforcing a right to take some action (sometimes even an implied one) you cannot then take that

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 06:28:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Hold! > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? Nope, as I said many times, that's not what is happening here. > I read the FAQ you posted, having you writing in that FAQ that this is > not a change to

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 06:28:12PM +0300, Pavel Nikulin wrote: > Hold! > > Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? Nope, as I said many times, that's not what is happening here. > I read the FAQ you posted, having you writing in that FAQ that this is > not a change to

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hold! Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? I read the FAQ you posted, having you writing in that FAQ that this is not a change to license terms is not enough. Modification of GPL V2 terms are explicitly disallowed. IF you want to put such writing into kernel, a very

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

Hold! Greg, are you trying to put a new addendum to the terms of GPL v2? I read the FAQ you posted, having you writing in that FAQ that this is not a change to license terms is not enough. Modification of GPL V2 terms are explicitly disallowed. IF you want to put such writing into kernel, a very

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 03:50:19PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 15:46 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > conversations with the TAB on early drafts of this — but I'm a little > > > concerned that what we've ended up with is a bit one-sided. We're > > > giving something away, for

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 03:50:19PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 15:46 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > conversations with the TAB on early drafts of this — but I'm a little > > > concerned that what we've ended up with is a bit one-sided. We're > > > giving something away, for

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 03:46:32PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 02:11:01PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > > > license enforcement policy > > > > > >

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 03:46:32PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 02:11:01PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > > > license enforcement policy > > > > > >

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 15:46 +0200, Greg KH wrote: >  I'll go add it and push out the updated post in a bit. Thanks. I think it's especially important to show how useful Conservancy's work in this area is. If there's anyone who's nodding in approval to this document but who *hasn't* joined

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 15:46 +0200, Greg KH wrote: >  I'll go add it and push out the updated post in a bit. Thanks. I think it's especially important to show how useful Conservancy's work in this area is. If there's anyone who's nodding in approval to this document but who *hasn't* joined

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

I want to thank everyone who has spent years putting together this Linux Kernel Enforcement Statement. Conservancy issued a public thank-you today: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2017/oct/16/linux-kernel-enforcement-statement/ Greg wrote: > What? I thought I did in my blog post! Ugh, you are

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

I want to thank everyone who has spent years putting together this Linux Kernel Enforcement Statement. Conservancy issued a public thank-you today: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2017/oct/16/linux-kernel-enforcement-statement/ Greg wrote: > What? I thought I did in my blog post! Ugh, you are

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 02:11:01PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > > license enforcement policy > > > > Here's a pull request to add a new file to the kernel's Documentation >

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 02:11:01PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > > license enforcement policy > > > > Here's a pull request to add a new file to the kernel's Documentation >

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > license enforcement policy > > Here's a pull request to add a new file to the kernel's Documentation > directory. > It adds a short document describing the views of how the Linux

Re: [GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

On Mon, 2017-10-16 at 11:25 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel > license enforcement policy > > Here's a pull request to add a new file to the kernel's Documentation > directory. > It adds a short document describing the views of how the Linux

[GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

The following changes since commit 33d930e59a98fa10a0db9f56c7fa2f21a4aef9b9: Linux 4.14-rc5 (2017-10-15 21:01:12 -0400) are available in the git repository at: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/ tags/enforcement-4.14-rc6 for you to fetch changes up to

[GIT PULL] Documentation: Add a file explaining the requested Linux kernel license enforcement policy

The following changes since commit 33d930e59a98fa10a0db9f56c7fa2f21a4aef9b9: Linux 4.14-rc5 (2017-10-15 21:01:12 -0400) are available in the git repository at: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/ tags/enforcement-4.14-rc6 for you to fetch changes up to