Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-10 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > > >with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate > > > >ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second > > > >SYN packet without these flags set. This is because > > > > > > Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-10 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty firewalls have

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread David S. Miller
From: Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Tue, 07 Nov 2000 03:38:35 +0100 Because this will add a Fallback (non ECN) packet to every denied target. I think this is bad policy at least. It might violate the RFCs, too. Keep in mind, we cannot recognice a rejection due

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > I'm still not sure why it's been decided not to do fallback or how this > whole situation is any different from path MTU discovery. Because this will add a Fallback (non ECN) packet to every denied target. I think this is bad policy at least. It might

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > >with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate > > >ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second > > >SYN packet without these flags set. This is because

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: [snip] > Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty > firewalls have horrible slow web sites with a 3 or 4 second wait for each > page. The perfect incentive. If only someone could do the same to path mtu >

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Andi Kleen
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > >with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate > >ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second > >SYN packet without these flags set. This is because > > Now that is nice. The end user perceived

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Alan Cox
>with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate >ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second >SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty firewalls have horrible slow web

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Andrew Morton
Oliver Xymoron wrote: > > I'm still not sure why it's been decided not to do fallback or how this > whole situation is any different from path MTU discovery. It has: "Changes to make to the ECN RFC before it goes to proposed standard: * If the TCP host receives no response to a SYN

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread David S. Miller
From: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 07 Nov 2000 03:38:35 +0100 Because this will add a Fallback (non ECN) packet to every denied target. I think this is bad policy at least. It might violate the RFCs, too. Keep in mind, we cannot recognice a rejection due to

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Andrew Morton
Oliver Xymoron wrote: I'm still not sure why it's been decided not to do fallback or how this whole situation is any different from path MTU discovery. It has: "Changes to make to the ECN RFC before it goes to proposed standard: * If the TCP host receives no response to a SYN packet

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Alan Cox
with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty firewalls have horrible slow web

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Andi Kleen
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: [snip] Now that is nice. The end user perceived effect is that folks with faulty firewalls have horrible slow web sites with a 3 or 4 second wait for each page. The perfect incentive. If only someone could do the same to path mtu

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread James A . Sutherland
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000, Andi Kleen wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 11:02:47AM +, Alan Cox wrote: with the TCP ECN_ECHO and CWR flags set, to indicate ECN-capability, then the sender should send its second SYN packet without these flags set. This is because Now

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-06 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I'm still not sure why it's been decided not to do fallback or how this whole situation is any different from path MTU discovery. Because this will add a Fallback (non ECN) packet to every denied target. I think this is bad policy at least. It might

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-05 Thread Oliver Xymoron
On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > +CONFIG_INET_ECN > + Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) allows routers to notify > + clients about network congestion, resulting in fewer dropped packets > + and increased network performance. This option adds ECN support to the > + Linux

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-05 Thread David S. Miller
From: "Barry K. Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:15:20 -0800 (PST) This patch is against test10pre7 but applies cleanly to test10 final as well. This patch is fine, thanks a lot. OH, btw, for all folks out there. If there ever is an instance where I

[PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-05 Thread Barry K. Nathan
As the dates below show, I've actually been sitting on this patch for about a week, but I just now got a chance to post it. I haven't had time to fully, absolutely, completely grok what ECN is, so it's possible that this help text is incorrect. If so, I'd like to hear about it. This patch is

[PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-05 Thread Barry K. Nathan
As the dates below show, I've actually been sitting on this patch for about a week, but I just now got a chance to post it. I haven't had time to fully, absolutely, completely grok what ECN is, so it's possible that this help text is incorrect. If so, I'd like to hear about it. This patch is

Re: [PATCH] document ECN in 2.4 Configure.help

2000-11-05 Thread Oliver Xymoron
On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Barry K. Nathan wrote: +CONFIG_INET_ECN + Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) allows routers to notify + clients about network congestion, resulting in fewer dropped packets + and increased network performance. This option adds ECN support to the + Linux kernel,