On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:39:11 +0400 Vyacheslav Dubeyko
wrote:
> [snip]
> > >
> > > And Would you share ppt or document of f2fs if Korea Linux Forum is
> > > finished ?
> > >
> >
> > Here I attached the slides, and LF will also share the slides.
> > Thanks,
> >
>
> I had hope that slides will
> [snip]
> > >
> > > And Would you share ppt or document of f2fs if Korea Linux Forum is
> > > finished ?
> > >
> >
> > Here I attached the slides, and LF will also share the slides.
> > Thanks,
> >
>
> I had hope that slides will have more detailed description. Maybe it is
> good for Linux Forum
[snip]
> >
> > And Would you share ppt or document of f2fs if Korea Linux Forum is
> > finished ?
> >
>
> Here I attached the slides, and LF will also share the slides.
> Thanks,
>
I had hope that slides will have more detailed description. Maybe it is
good for Linux Forum. But do you plan to
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> Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system
>
> 2012/10/11, Changman Lee :
> > 2012년 10월 11일 목요일에 Namjae
2012/10/11, Changman Lee :
> 2012년 10월 11일 목요일에 Namjae Jeon님이 작성:
>> 2012/10/10 Jaegeuk Kim :
>>
I mean that every volume is placed inside any partition (MTD or GPT).
> Every partition begins from any
physical sector. So, as I can understand, f2fs volume can begin from
> physical sec
2012/10/13, Jaegeuk Kim :
> 2012-10-13 (토), 13:26 +0900, Namjae Jeon:
>> Is there high possibility that the storage device can be rapidly
>> worn-out by cleaning process ? e.g. severe fragmentation situation by
>> creating and removing small files.
>>
>
> Yes, the cleaning process in F2FS induces a
2012-10-13 (토), 13:26 +0900, Namjae Jeon:
> Is there high possibility that the storage device can be rapidly
> worn-out by cleaning process ? e.g. severe fragmentation situation by
> creating and removing small files.
>
Yes, the cleaning process in F2FS induces additional writes so that
flash sto
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 11:36:14 David Woodhouse wrote:
> The whole thing is silly. What we actually want on an embedded system is
> to ditch the FTL altogether and have direct access to the NAND. Then we
> can know our file system is behaving optimally. And we don't need
> hacks like TRIM to
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 00:53:51 Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:01:24PM +0200, Lukáš Czerner wrote:
> > Do not get me wrong, I do not think it is worth to wait for vendors
> > to come to their senses, but it is worth constantly reminding that
> > we *need* this kind of infor
2012-10-12 (금), 16:30 +0400, Vyacheslav Dubeyko:
> On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 18:43 +0900, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > How about the following scenario?
> > > > 1. data "a" is newly written.
> > > > 2. checkpoint "A" is done.
> > > > 3. data "a" is truncated.
> > > > 4. checkpoint "B" is done.
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 18:43 +0900, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> [snip]
> > > How about the following scenario?
> > > 1. data "a" is newly written.
> > > 2. checkpoint "A" is done.
> > > 3. data "a" is truncated.
> > > 4. checkpoint "B" is done.
> > >
> > > If fs supports multiple snapshots like "A" and "B"
2012/10/10 Jaegeuk Kim :
>>
>> I mean that every volume is placed inside any partition (MTD or GPT). Every
>> partition begins from any
>> physical sector. So, as I can understand, f2fs volume can begin from
>> physical sector that is laid
>> inside physical erase block. Thereby, in such case of
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Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 02:53:26PM -0500, Jooyoung Hwang wrote:
>> I'd like you to refer to the following link as well which is about
>> mobile workload pattern.
>> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~fuyaoz/courses/15712/report.pdf
>> It's reported that in Android
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 10:31 +0200, Lukáš Czerner wrote:
> I am sorry but this reply makes me smile. How can you design a fs
> relying on time attack heuristics to figure out what the proper
> layout should be ? Or even endorse such heuristics to be used in
> mkfs ? What we should be focusing on is
[snip]
> > How about the following scenario?
> > 1. data "a" is newly written.
> > 2. checkpoint "A" is done.
> > 3. data "a" is truncated.
> > 4. checkpoint "B" is done.
> >
> > If fs supports multiple snapshots like "A" and "B" to users, it cannot
> > reuse the space allocated by
> > data "a" af
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 02:53:26PM -0500, Jooyoung Hwang wrote:
> I'd like you to refer to the following link as well which is about
> mobile workload pattern.
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~fuyaoz/courses/15712/report.pdf
> It's reported that in Android there are frequent issues of fsync and
> most of
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:01:24PM +0200, Lukáš Czerner wrote:
> Do not get me wrong, I do not think it is worth to wait for vendors
> to come to their senses, but it is worth constantly reminding that
> we *need* this kind of information and those heuristics are not
> feasible in the long run anyw
Jaegeuk Kim
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> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash
2012-10-09 (화), 14:39 +0200, Lukáš Czerner:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As you can see the f2fs kernel document patch, I think one of
> > > > > > > > the most
> > > > > > > > important features is to align operating units between f2fs and
> > > > >
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you can see the f2fs kernel document patch, I think one of the
> > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > important features is to align operating units between f2fs and
> > > > > > > ftl.
> > > > > > > Specifically, f2fs has section an
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> 2012/10/8, Jaegeuk Kim :
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> Hi,
>
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
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> >> -Original Message-
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> Hi,
>
> On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
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>>> Subject:[PATCH 00/16] f2
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> Il 06/10/2012 22:06, Jaegeuk Kim ha scritto:
> > 2012-10-06 (토), 17:54 +0400, Vyach
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Subject: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:55:07 +0900
This is a new patch set for the f2fs file system
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> > jooyoung.hw...@samsung.com
> > Subject: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system
> > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:55:07 +0900
> >
> &
ubject: [PATCH 00/16] f2fs: introduce flash-friendly file system
> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 20:55:07 +0900
>
> This is a new patch set for the f2fs file system.
>
> What is F2FS?
> =
>
> NAND flash memory-based storage devices, such as SSD, eMMC
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