Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-29 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 11:32 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:43 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-29 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 11:32 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:43 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:36 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Or add support for the "s" chattr to major filesystems. (...) So maybe shred should first set the 's' attribute before calling unlink on

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Or add support for the "s" chattr to major filesystems. And change the manpage for the 's' attribute to change the "overwriting with zero" with some other wording. But thanks for the hint. I

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Richard Weinberger
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: > Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler >> wrote: >>> Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made >>> me angry for so long and I had to spent too

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Richard Weinberger
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: > Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made > me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted > content and answering other peoples question in regard to that topic), I > should

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 12:42 schrieb Alexander Holler: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other peoples question in regard to that topic), I should offer something

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other peoples question in regard to that topic), I should offer something more useful. So I've written down in some

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 11:32 schrieb Alexander Holler: So we are now at the point that the only way to keep some information private (forever) is to not store it on any computer. That should be written "any electronic device (including phones, tablets, cameras, TVs and clouds)" instead of "any

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 03:43 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other peoples question in regard to that topic), I should offer something more useful. So I've written down in some

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 11:32 schrieb Alexander Holler: So we are now at the point that the only way to keep some information private (forever) is to not store it on any computer. That should be written any electronic device (including phones, tablets, cameras, TVs and clouds) instead of any

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 03:43 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Or add support for the s chattr to major filesystems. And change the manpage for the 's' attribute to change the overwriting with zero with some other wording. But thanks for the hint. I

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler hol...@ahsoftware.de wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Richard Weinberger
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler hol...@ahsoftware.de wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other peoples question in regard to that

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Richard Weinberger
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler hol...@ahsoftware.de wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:36 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Or add support for the s chattr to major filesystems. (...) So maybe shred should first set the 's' attribute before calling unlink on that

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 12:42 schrieb Alexander Holler: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this topic made me angry for so long and I had to spent too much time to get rid of unwanted content and answering other peoples question in regard to that topic), I should offer something

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-25 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Richard Weinberger: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 25.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Richard Weinberger: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Alexander Holler hol...@ahsoftware.de wrote: Now, after I ended up into flaming a lot (sorry again, but this

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: > Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: >> Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: >>> Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: >>> It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW:

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW: This is a good example where technology failed to

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW: This is a good example where technology failed to keep the needs of users in mind. It should be

[PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
This is for the more paranoid people, also it's questionable what paranoid nowadays means. It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. Signed-off-by: Alexander Holler --- Makefile | 2 +- 1 file

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 25.01.2015 um 03:13 schrieb Pádraig Brady: On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 24/01/15 12:29, Alexander Holler wrote: Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW: This is a good example where technology failed to keep the needs of users in mind. It should be

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW: This is a good example where technology failed to

Re: [PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 24.01.2015 um 13:09 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 12:37 schrieb Alexander Holler: Am 24.01.2015 um 11:45 schrieb Alexander Holler: It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. BTW:

[PATCH v2] modsign: use shred to overwrite the private key before deleting it

2015-01-24 Thread Alexander Holler
This is for the more paranoid people, also it's questionable what paranoid nowadays means. It uses shred, in the hope it will somedays learn how to shred stuff on FLASH based devices securely too, once that has become possible. Signed-off-by: Alexander Holler hol...@ahsoftware.de --- Makefile |