Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-20 Thread Adam Sampson
"Eric S. Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to > digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write > one. No, please don't! .Xdefaults files as loaded by xrdb can contain cpp directives which can depend on the

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-20 Thread Adam Sampson
"Eric S. Raymond" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. No, please don't! .Xdefaults files as loaded by xrdb can contain cpp directives which can depend on the

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
[John Cowan] > The whole point of CML2 is to make kernel configuration something > that Aunt Tillie (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) can do, and we > are all Aunt Tillies from time to time. That includes differing > standards of readability, Come on, that's absolutely a red herring. There

CMLConfigurator skins (was: CML2 1.1.3 is available)

2001-04-17 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Other possibility: support only the 16 EGA colors by name. Excellent idea! > But if I do that, > some of the X colors are just *wrong* on standard gray background > (cyan is a good example). So let the user set the background color too. I find gray backgrounds a

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Eric S. Raymond
John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest > > .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. But I'm > > not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal feature. > > Then support a private mechanism if

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:55:56 -0400 >From: Eric S. Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: james rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject:

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond scripsit: > That way lies featuritis, IMO. Only if you let it. > If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest > .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. But I'm > not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Olaf Titz
> > telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much > > *the* X toolkit/widget set for scripting, does not include an interface > > to X resources? Of course it does; in an idiosyncratic way (not directly using X resources) but it does use the X resource file syntax. >

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:20:48PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you > > telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much > > *the* X toolkit/widget set for

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Marko Kreen
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:42:23PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Release 1.1.3: First I must say that versions 1.1.2, 1.1.3 are much faster than previous, I really cannot say that CML2 is in some way unusable for me. Good work! > * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. Erm. Yes,

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Marko Kreen
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:42:23PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Release 1.1.3: First I must say that versions 1.1.2, 1.1.3 are much faster than previous, I really cannot say that CML2 is in some way unusable for me. Good work! * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. Erm. Yes, in

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Olaf Titz
telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much *the* X toolkit/widget set for scripting, does not include an interface to X resources? Of course it does; in an idiosyncratic way (not directly using X resources) but it does use the X resource file syntax. If it

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond scripsit: That way lies featuritis, IMO. Only if you let it. If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. But I'm not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal feature.

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:20:48PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much *the* X toolkit/widget set for scripting, does

CMLConfigurator skins (was: CML2 1.1.3 is available)

2001-04-17 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond wrote: Other possibility: support only the 16 EGA colors by name. Excellent idea! But if I do that, some of the X colors are just *wrong* on standard gray background (cyan is a good example). So let the user set the background color too. I find gray backgrounds a

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:55:56 -0400 From: Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: james rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Eric S. Raymond
John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. But I'm not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal feature. Then support a private mechanism if you must.

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-17 Thread Peter Samuelson
[John Cowan] The whole point of CML2 is to make kernel configuration something that Aunt Tillie (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) can do, and we are all Aunt Tillies from time to time. That includes differing standards of readability, Come on, that's absolutely a red herring. There are

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you > telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much > *the* X toolkit/widget set for scripting, does not include an interface > to X resources? If it does, it's not

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[esr] > If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to > digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write > one. But I'm not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal > feature. Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
james rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Instead, read the colors from the .Xdefaults system. > > Yes, truly this should be done. Sensible defaults should be used (and I > think we may be at that point) and then use .Xdefaults (.Xresources or > whatever) to allow site overrides. And I really do

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread james rich
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, John Cowan wrote: > Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > Release 1.1.3: > > * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. > > Instead, read the colors from the .Xdefaults system. Yes, truly this should be done. Sensible defaults should be used (and I think we may be at that

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Steven Cole
On Monday 16 April 2001 16:06, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Steven Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Whoops, I just tried out 1.1.3 using make xconfig, and now all the > > option labels are dark green, not just the ones set to y. > > That's because they're set in your .config, dude! Well, lets look at a

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Steven Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Whoops, I just tried out 1.1.3 using make xconfig, and now all the > option labels are dark green, not just the ones set to y. That's because they're set in your .config, dude! -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond See, when the

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Steven Cole
On Monday 16 April 2001 15:42, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > CML2 NEWS > > The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ > > Release 1.1.3: > * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. > * Tom Rini's network-configuration patches. > * Better detection of

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond wrote: > CML2 NEWS > > The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ > > Release 1.1.3: > * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. I suggest you stop dinking the colors. There will always be some colors, for

CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
CML2 NEWS The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 1.1.3: * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. * Tom Rini's network-configuration patches. * Better detection of set variables to be colored

CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
CML2 NEWS The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 1.1.3: * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. * Tom Rini's network-configuration patches. * Better detection of set variables to be colored

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread John Cowan
Eric S. Raymond wrote: CML2 NEWS The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 1.1.3: * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. I suggest you stop dinking the colors. There will always be some colors, for some

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Steven Cole
On Monday 16 April 2001 15:42, Eric S. Raymond wrote: CML2 NEWS The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ Release 1.1.3: * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. * Tom Rini's network-configuration patches. * Better detection of set

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Steven Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Whoops, I just tried out 1.1.3 using make xconfig, and now all the option labels are dark green, not just the ones set to y. That's because they're set in your .config, dude! -- a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/"Eric S. Raymond/a See, when the

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Steven Cole
On Monday 16 April 2001 16:06, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Steven Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Whoops, I just tried out 1.1.3 using make xconfig, and now all the option labels are dark green, not just the ones set to y. That's because they're set in your .config, dude! Well, lets look at a snippet

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread james rich
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, John Cowan wrote: Eric S. Raymond wrote: Release 1.1.3: * Freeze color changed from cyan to blue. Instead, read the colors from the .Xdefaults system. Yes, truly this should be done. Sensible defaults should be used (and I think we may be at that point) and

Re: [kbuild-devel] CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
james rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Instead, read the colors from the .Xdefaults system. Yes, truly this should be done. Sensible defaults should be used (and I think we may be at that point) and then use .Xdefaults (.Xresources or whatever) to allow site overrides. And I really do think

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Peter Samuelson
[esr] If there were already a library in ths stock Python distribution to digest .Xdefaults files I might consider this. Perhaps I'll write one. But I'm not going to bulk up the CML2 code with this marginal feature. Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you

Re: CML2 1.1.3 is available

2001-04-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wait ... I thought you were just using Python bindings to Tk. Are you telling us the Tk library, which for 8 or 10 years has been pretty much *the* X toolkit/widget set for scripting, does not include an interface to X resources? If it does, it's not in