Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 05:27:38PM +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > Note also that some maintainers have work flow that deliberately smash > > the date (i.e., because they are using a system such as guilt), > > so if you are depending on the submitted timestamp, it's going to > > break on you.

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-09 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 05:27:38PM +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote: Note also that some maintainers have work flow that deliberately smash the date (i.e., because they are using a system such as guilt), so if you are depending on the submitted timestamp, it's going to break on you.

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:46 PM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> Is there truly no way to simplify that process? > > I see some software development possibilities which could improve > the communication with high volume mailing lists. You shouldn't need any software development, most

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> Note also that some maintainers have work flow that deliberately smash > the date (i.e., because they are using a system such as guilt), > so if you are depending on the submitted timestamp, it's going to > break on you. Thanks for your hint. I am just trying to offer the possibility for the

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 09:05:53PM +1000, Julian Calaby wrote: > If multiple people are submitting identical changes, then the one that > is applied is the one the maintainer sees first, which will most > likely be determined by which one hit their inbox / list first. Nobody > is going to look at

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> Is there truly no way to simplify that process? I see some software development possibilities which could improve the communication with high volume mailing lists. > You should be sending the patches directly with SMTP using git-send-email, This tool is also fine for the publishing of a lot

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> If it's harmless, then no, but in this case, people are questioning >> why you're adding it as it adds no value > > Some Git software developers care to keep the information complete > for the author commit. > > >> to anyone

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> If it's harmless, then no, but in this case, people are questioning > why you're adding it as it adds no value Some Git software developers care to keep the information complete for the author commit. > to anyone and makes it look like you don't know what you're doing. I specify message

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:09 PM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> There's a file in the documentation directory of the kernel >> tree describing submitting patches and email client setup. >> Read them both, > > I read this information several times. > > >> do what they say without anything

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> There's a file in the documentation directory of the kernel > tree describing submitting patches and email client setup. > Read them both, I read this information several times. > do what they say without anything extra. Do you see any special consequences if a bit of "extra" functionality

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: If it's harmless, then no, but in this case, people are questioning why you're adding it as it adds no value Some Git software developers care to keep the information complete for the author

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:09 PM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: There's a file in the documentation directory of the kernel tree describing submitting patches and email client setup. Read them both, I read this information several times. do what they say

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
If it's harmless, then no, but in this case, people are questioning why you're adding it as it adds no value Some Git software developers care to keep the information complete for the author commit. to anyone and makes it look like you don't know what you're doing. I specify message field

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
Is there truly no way to simplify that process? I see some software development possibilities which could improve the communication with high volume mailing lists. You should be sending the patches directly with SMTP using git-send-email, This tool is also fine for the publishing of a lot of

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 09:05:53PM +1000, Julian Calaby wrote: If multiple people are submitting identical changes, then the one that is applied is the one the maintainer sees first, which will most likely be determined by which one hit their inbox / list first. Nobody is going to look at

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
Note also that some maintainers have work flow that deliberately smash the date (i.e., because they are using a system such as guilt), so if you are depending on the submitted timestamp, it's going to break on you. Thanks for your hint. I am just trying to offer the possibility for the reuse

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread SF Markus Elfring
There's a file in the documentation directory of the kernel tree describing submitting patches and email client setup. Read them both, I read this information several times. do what they say without anything extra. Do you see any special consequences if a bit of extra functionality is

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-08 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:46 PM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Is there truly no way to simplify that process? I see some software development possibilities which could improve the communication with high volume mailing lists. You shouldn't need any

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:15 AM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> I can't remember ever changing or explicitly preserving the commit date. >> I don't think I care enough. > > Would any more software developers and maintainers like to share > their experiences around such details? > > When

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> I can't remember ever changing or explicitly preserving the commit date. > I don't think I care enough. Would any more software developers and maintainers like to share their experiences around such details? When do commit timestamps become relevant as a documentation item for contribution

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> I think that as far as these kernel mailing lists are concerned, >> the date of the update suggestion is the date on which you submitted the >> patch, >> rather than the date you originally committed it to your local tree. > > I imagine

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> I think that as far as these kernel mailing lists are concerned, > the date of the update suggestion is the date on which you submitted the > patch, > rather than the date you originally committed it to your local tree. I imagine that there are committers who would like to keep corresponding

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >> No need to try and preserve it. > > I find that it might occasionally help to share and keep the record > on timestamps about the evolution for an original update suggestion. I think that as far as these kernel mailing lists are

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> The date, as far as I know, is ignored. It is the commit date, > not the authoring date, and once your patch is applied by a maintainer > (i.e. committed), the date gets reset anyway. Thanks for your feedback. > No need to try and preserve it. I find that it might occasionally help to share

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:21 AM, SF Markus Elfring wrote: >>> From: Markus Elfring >>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:56:57 +0200 >> >> Why is this in the body of the email? > > Does the canonical patch format support to preserve > specific details about a shown commit by specification > of fields

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
>> From: Markus Elfring >> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:56:57 +0200 > > Why is this in the body of the email? Does the canonical patch format support to preserve specific details about a shown commit by specification of fields like "Date" and "From" in the message body? Regards, Markus -- To

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
From: Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:56:57 +0200 Why is this in the body of the email? Does the canonical patch format support to preserve specific details about a shown commit by specification of fields like Date and From in the message body?

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
I can't remember ever changing or explicitly preserving the commit date. I don't think I care enough. Would any more software developers and maintainers like to share their experiences around such details? When do commit timestamps become relevant as a documentation item for contribution

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: No need to try and preserve it. I find that it might occasionally help to share and keep the record on timestamps about the evolution for an original update suggestion. I think that as far as these kernel

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
The date, as far as I know, is ignored. It is the commit date, not the authoring date, and once your patch is applied by a maintainer (i.e. committed), the date gets reset anyway. Thanks for your feedback. No need to try and preserve it. I find that it might occasionally help to share and

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:21 AM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: From: Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:56:57 +0200 Why is this in the body of the email? Does the canonical patch format support to preserve specific details about a

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi Markus, On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:15 AM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: I can't remember ever changing or explicitly preserving the commit date. I don't think I care enough. Would any more software developers and maintainers like to share their experiences around

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread SF Markus Elfring
I think that as far as these kernel mailing lists are concerned, the date of the update suggestion is the date on which you submitted the patch, rather than the date you originally committed it to your local tree. I imagine that there are committers who would like to keep corresponding

Re: Clarification for the use of additional fields in the message body

2015-07-07 Thread Frans Klaver
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, SF Markus Elfring elfr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: I think that as far as these kernel mailing lists are concerned, the date of the update suggestion is the date on which you submitted the patch, rather than the date you originally committed it to your