Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to
Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 12:02:22AM +0200, Carlo Wood wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
> > projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
>
> Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>>> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on
On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>> >
>> >It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
>> >comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> >
> >It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
> >comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
> >before writing any replies is
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>
>It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
>comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
>before writing any replies is just not possible.
Perhaps the list needs to be split up, e.g. [EMAIL
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:15:33PM +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
> >
> > Perhaps you should change that and find
On 6/24/07, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
"David Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
> enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
> up.
I think that is
On 6/24/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
David Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
up.
I think that is more a
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:15:33PM +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
before writing any replies is just not possible.
Perhaps the list needs to be split up, e.g. [EMAIL
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
before writing any replies is just not
On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 12:02:22AM +0200, Carlo Wood wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends that are
Alan Cox writes:
[...]
>
> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> - Futex fast hybrid locking
DEC Firefly workstation, before 1987.
Nikita.
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Alan Cox writes:
[...]
A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
- Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
- Futex fast hybrid locking
DEC Firefly workstation, before 1987.
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Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I
On 23/06/07, Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, jimmy bahuleyan wrote:
[snip]
> I'm not a kernel developer myself, but i think there are lots of
> resources on the internet where you can read watered down versions of
> discussions happening on this list.
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
"David Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
> enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
> up.
I think that is more a product of its time than the software. It
The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
up.
David Kane
On 6/23/07, Carlo Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Now if you want really
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:02:29 +0100
Al Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
> > ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
>
>
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
> projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends that are sitting
in an IRC channel and have been working on a complete
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
> ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
Representation of process state and control of that state via files on
a filesystem?
> >- hotplugging
>
> Was not Windows 95 first here?
Hotplug for specialised systems at least is 1950's
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:19:43 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> > > - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, you wrote:
> Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should change that
Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
>> Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Thanks!
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
> There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
>
> Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
> VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
> Scheduler Design.
>
> Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I can conclude
>
> then what is this? Provocation is _standard_ troll tactics.
>
> Why don't you try being innovative yourself?
Because I've seen many times how people outside the kernel community get
ignored or even labled as trolls when asking something, so I thought that
provocation in this case could be
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
>
> Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bernd
Perhaps you
On Jun 23 2007 18:12, Torsten Duwe wrote:
>On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
>
>> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
>> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
>> - Futex fast hybrid locking
>> - Single pass checksum fragment and send
>
> Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> >
> > As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
> > want
>
> Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
Absolutely. We had almost 900+ not-so-productive mails on
another thread recently
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
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El Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:00:42 +0530, jimmy bahuleyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escribió:
> building upon or improving existing technology is as important as
> inventing new things. if every one insisted on dreaming up new things, i
> doubt we would've accomplished anything significant (not just in OS,
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
> Thanks!
Thanks!
Bernd
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> "AC" == Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AC> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
The clone() call and the efficient 1:1 threading it brought was
definitely innovative. None of the other Unices had anything similar.
splice() is innovative as well, even though
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> I'd argue the lack of a stable kernel internal API is also an innovation
>
Give me a break Alan; you are smarter than that!
Arguing the validity of a stable Kernel internal API is as ridiculous as
arguing the validity of the paperclip.
The paperclip allows you to attach
Torsten Duwe wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
>
>> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
> Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
> space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
>
> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table, IIRC.
Err, uh, no- I believe that
On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table,
On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> > A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> > - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> > - Futex fast hybrid locking
> > - Single pass checksum fragment and send
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> - Futex fast hybrid locking
> - Single pass checksum fragment and send fragments in reverse order
> - Reiserfs - very
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:22:26 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
> >
> > Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> > >
> > > As a Linux user for many years now
On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
>
> Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> >
> > As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
> > want
>
> Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
heh,
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello gentlemen and ladies.
>
> As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
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Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to see how the Linux kernel
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to see how the Linux kernel
On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
want
Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
heh, I'm not a
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:22:26 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a
On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table,
On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
- Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
- Futex fast hybrid locking
- Single pass checksum fragment and send fragments
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
- Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
- Futex fast hybrid locking
- Single pass checksum fragment and send fragments in reverse order
- Reiserfs - very innovative
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
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hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table, IIRC.
Err, uh, no- I believe that
El Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:00:42 +0530, jimmy bahuleyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
escribió:
building upon or improving existing technology is as important as
inventing new things. if every one insisted on dreaming up new things, i
doubt we would've accomplished anything significant (not just in OS,
Alan Cox wrote:
I'd argue the lack of a stable kernel internal API is also an innovation
Give me a break Alan; you are smarter than that!
Arguing the validity of a stable Kernel internal API is as ridiculous as
arguing the validity of the paperclip.
The paperclip allows you to attach things
Torsten Duwe wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Bernd
Perhaps you should change
On Jun 23 2007 18:12, Torsten Duwe wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
- Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
- Futex fast hybrid locking
- Single pass checksum fragment and send fragments in
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
want
Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
Absolutely. We had almost 900+ not-so-productive mails on
another thread recently ...
On
then what is this? Provocation is _standard_ troll tactics.
Why don't you try being innovative yourself?
Because I've seen many times how people outside the kernel community get
ignored or even labled as trolls when asking something, so I thought that
provocation in this case could be
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Bernd
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mobil: +43
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:19:43 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
- Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I can conclude that
AC == Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
AC A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
The clone() call and the efficient 1:1 threading it brought was
definitely innovative. None of the other Unices had anything similar.
splice() is innovative as well, even though it took 10
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, you wrote:
Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
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Was not Windows 95 first here?
Hotplug for specialised systems at least is 1950's
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Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Bernd
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
Representation of process state and control of that state via files on
a filesystem? AFAIK,
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends that are sitting
in an IRC channel and have been working on a complete
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:02:29 +0100
Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
Representation of
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
David Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
up.
I think that is more a product of its time than the software. It isn't
The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
up.
David Kane
On 6/23/07, Carlo Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Now if you want really
On 23/06/07, Grozdan Nikolov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, jimmy bahuleyan wrote:
[snip]
I'm not a kernel developer myself, but i think there are lots of
resources on the internet where you can read watered down versions of
discussions happening on this list.
If
Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I
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