Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-14 Thread Keith Curtis
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Alexander Holler wrote: > Am 06.11.2013 14:42, schrieb Keith Curtis: > >> I don't know if you all should spend time working only on bugs, but I >> believe more time should be spent on the bug *list*. There are many >> users patiently waiting for the kernel to work f

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-09 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Nov 3, 2013, Linus Torvalds wrote: > we'll have 4.0 follow 3.19 or something like that. > we could do a release with just stability and bug-fixes > the reason I mention "4.0" is that it would be a lovely time to do > that. That sounds backwards. .0s are known for instability and major new

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-07 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 06.11.2013 14:42, schrieb Keith Curtis: I don't know if you all should spend time working only on bugs, but I believe more time should be spent on the bug *list*. There are many users patiently waiting for the kernel to work for their computer. The pleas for help can be read in the bug databas

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-07 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Greg KH wrote: > > Thirdly, _users_ interested in stability can already go to the -stable > > kernel, will will suck up 1 cycle worth of bugfixes out of the main > > flow of changes. So users already have a stability choice of v-latest > > and 'v-latest - 1' - plus the 'long term' stable ke

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-06 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 07:25:40AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > So I may be pessimistic, but I'd expect many developers would go "Let's > > hunt bugs.. Wait. Oooh, shiny" and go off doing some new feature after > > all instead. Or just take that release off. > >

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-06 Thread Keith Curtis
I don't know if you all should spend time working only on bugs, but I believe more time should be spent on the bug *list*. There are many users patiently waiting for the kernel to work for their computer. The pleas for help can be read in the bug database. The data can be used to determine the sele

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 04.11.2013 20:49, schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: 3.14 3.141 3.1415 3.14159 3.141592 3.1415926 (...) 4.0 Since when does \pi converge to 4.0? Since 3.12 > 3.9. ;) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kerne

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread One Thousand Gnomes
> The reason I mention it is because I've been mulling over something > Dirk Hohndel said during LinuxCon EU and the kernel summit. He asked > at the Q&A session whether we could do a release with just stability > and bug-fixes, and I pooh-poohed it because I didn't see most of us > having the atte

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Hans de Bruin
On 11/04/2013 01:10 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > ... Anyway.. Onto a totally different topic: we're getting to release numbers where I have to take off my socks to count that high again. I'm ok with 3., but I don't want us to get to the kinds of crazy numbers we had in the 2.x series, so at some

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 04.11.2013 20:49, schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: 3.14 3.141 3.1415 3.14159 3.141592 3.1415926 (...) 4.0 Since when does \pi converge to 4.0? The attention span of most people is usually limited, so they won't follow very long. Besides

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Olof Johansson
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > The reason I mention it is because I've been mulling over something > Dirk Hohndel said during LinuxCon EU and the kernel summit. He asked > at the Q&A session whether we could do a release with just stability > and bug-fixes, and I pooh-poo

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> So I may be pessimistic, but I'd expect many developers would go "Let's >>> hunt bugs.. Wait. Oooh, shiny" and go off doing some new feature after >>> all instead. Or just take that release off. >>> >>> But I do wonder.. Maybe it would be possi

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alexander Holler wrote: > 3.14 > 3.141 > 3.1415 > 3.14159 > 3.141592 > 3.1415926 > (...) > 4.0 Since when does \pi converge to 4.0? Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- ge...@linux-m68k.or

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Linus Torvalds wrote: > >> So I may be pessimistic, but I'd expect many developers would go "Let's >> hunt bugs.. Wait. Oooh, shiny" and go off doing some new feature after >> all instead. Or just take that release off. >> >> But I do wonde

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-04 Thread Alexander Holler
Am 04.11.2013 01:10, schrieb Linus Torvalds: (...) Onto a totally different topic: we're getting to release numbers where I have to take off my socks to count that high again. I'm ok with 3., but I don't want us to get to the kinds of crazy numbers we had in the 2.x series, so at some point we'r

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-03 Thread Ingo Molnar
* Linus Torvalds wrote: > So I may be pessimistic, but I'd expect many developers would go "Let's > hunt bugs.. Wait. Oooh, shiny" and go off doing some new feature after > all instead. Or just take that release off. > > But I do wonder.. Maybe it would be possible, and I'm just unfairly > p

Re: Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-03 Thread Tony Luck
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: > And the reason I mention "4.0" is that it would be a lovely time to do > that. Roughly a years heads-up that "ok, after 3.19 (or whatever), > we're doing a release with *just* fixes, and then that becomes 4.0". > > Comments? Unless you are p

Linux 3.12 released .. and no merge window yet .. and 4.0 plans?

2013-11-03 Thread Linus Torvalds
I was vacillating whether to do an rc8 or just cut the final 3.12, but since the biggest reason to *not* do a final release was not so much the state of the code, as simply the fact that I'll be traveling with very bad internet connection next week, I didn't really want to delay the release. Sure,