Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050727 01:00]: > Hi! > > > > USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, > > > try without USB... > > > > Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling > > in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. > > >

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, > > try without USB... > > Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling > in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. > > Or is there some other reason? Yes. UHCI zas keeps doing DMA all

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050725 08:57]: > > USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, > try without USB... Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. Or is there some other reason?

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050725 08:57]: USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, try without USB... Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. Or is there some other reason? Tony

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, try without USB... Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. Or is there some other reason? Yes. UHCI zas keeps doing DMA all the

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-27 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050727 01:00]: Hi! USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, try without USB... Why do USB devices prevent C3? If it was because of the timer polling in the root hub, I believe that should be fixed now. Or is there some

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-26 Thread dean gaudet
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Marc Ballarin wrote: > Hmm, just did. I even tried the rather minimalistic configuration below. > Still no C3. (And what seems even stranger: no C1.) there's no point to going into C1 if the C2 entry/exit latencies are acceptable. (winxp generally never uses C1 if C2 is

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-26 Thread dean gaudet
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Marc Ballarin wrote: Hmm, just did. I even tried the rather minimalistic configuration below. Still no C3. (And what seems even stranger: no C1.) there's no point to going into C1 if the C2 entry/exit latencies are acceptable. (winxp generally never uses C1 if C2 is

RE: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Brown, Len
yes, this approach is valid. I've done the exact same measurements for 100HZ vs 1000HZ. For currently shipping laptops, I didn't see a significant difference., Note that the quality of the instrumentation on the battery can vary widely, and so if you really want the best numbers you need to start

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
Marc Ballarin wrote: Hi, I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and HZ1000. To measure the actual drain, I used the "smart" battery's internal measurement. (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) No clue how accurate this is. Here some battery

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Marc Ballarin
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:53:22 +0200 Pavel Machek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, > try without USB... Hmm, just did. I even tried the rather minimalistic configuration below. Still no C3. (And what seems even stranger: no C1.) Is

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and > HZ1000. > To measure the actual drain, I used the "smart" battery's internal > measurement. > (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) > No clue how accurate this is. > > Here some battery details,

Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Marc Ballarin
Hi, I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and HZ1000. To measure the actual drain, I used the "smart" battery's internal measurement. (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) No clue how accurate this is. Here some battery details, in case someone

Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Marc Ballarin
Hi, I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and HZ1000. To measure the actual drain, I used the smart battery's internal measurement. (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) No clue how accurate this is. Here some battery details, in case someone

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and HZ1000. To measure the actual drain, I used the smart battery's internal measurement. (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) No clue how accurate this is. Here some battery details, in case

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Marc Ballarin
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:53:22 +0200 Pavel Machek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USB devices prevent entering C3 and any interesting powersaving, try without USB... Hmm, just did. I even tried the rather minimalistic configuration below. Still no C3. (And what seems even stranger: no C1.) Is this a

Re: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
Marc Ballarin wrote: Hi, I did some measurements in order to compare power drain with HZ250 and HZ1000. To measure the actual drain, I used the smart battery's internal measurement. (Available with acpi-sbs in /proc/acpi/sbs/SBS0/SB0/state.) No clue how accurate this is. Here some battery

RE: Power consumption HZ250 vs. HZ1000

2005-07-25 Thread Brown, Len
yes, this approach is valid. I've done the exact same measurements for 100HZ vs 1000HZ. For currently shipping laptops, I didn't see a significant difference., Note that the quality of the instrumentation on the battery can vary widely, and so if you really want the best numbers you need to start