Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
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Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
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Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:29:28 +0200, "Andi Kleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > By any chance did you do that? > > It will likely work with lilo -- it is file system independent as > long as the file system implements the IOC_UNPACK ioctl, which > r4 seems to. > > -Andi I used a kernel and

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
OOn Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, "Edward Shishkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at > >all, not even tail compression, > > > > ^tail compression^tail conversion > Reiser4 does use tail

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
OOn Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, Edward Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at all, not even tail compression, ^tail compression^tail conversion Reiser4 does use tail conversion by default.

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:29:28 +0200, Andi Kleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: By any chance did you do that? It will likely work with lilo -- it is file system independent as long as the file system implements the IOC_UNPACK ioctl, which r4 seems to. -Andi I used a kernel and initrd

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
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Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-05-01 Thread lkml777
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Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-28 Thread Andi Kleen
> By any chance did you do that? It will likely work with lilo -- it is file system independent as long as the file system implements the IOC_UNPACK ioctl, which r4 seems to. -Andi - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-28 Thread Andi Kleen
By any chance did you do that? It will likely work with lilo -- it is file system independent as long as the file system implements the IOC_UNPACK ioctl, which r4 seems to. -Andi - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-27 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks, that is certainly helpful, but that only mounts one directory (partition) as Reiser4. This I have already done. I was more interested in how to have a whole partition dedicated to Reiser4 and being able to boot into it. Not

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-27 Thread lkml777
Thanks, that is certainly helpful, but that only mounts one directory (partition) as Reiser4. This I have already done. I was more interested in how to have a whole partition dedicated to Reiser4 and being able to boot into it. By any chance did you do that? On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:37:05

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-27 Thread lkml777
> Just to inform you that the reiserfs4 patch cleanly on 2.6.21 and > working well. I've not encountered any problem so far. > > Thanks, > Jeff. Hi Jeff, could you outline the procedure that YOU used to get Reiser4 installed and running. Thanks a million. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-27 Thread lkml777
Just to inform you that the reiserfs4 patch cleanly on 2.6.21 and working well. I've not encountered any problem so far. Thanks, Jeff. Hi Jeff, could you outline the procedure that YOU used to get Reiser4 installed and running. Thanks a million. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-27 Thread lkml777
Thanks, that is certainly helpful, but that only mounts one directory (partition) as Reiser4. This I have already done. I was more interested in how to have a whole partition dedicated to Reiser4 and being able to boot into it. By any chance did you do that? On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:37:05

Re: Question about Reiser4 (how to boot it?)

2007-04-27 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, that is certainly helpful, but that only mounts one directory (partition) as Reiser4. This I have already done. I was more interested in how to have a whole partition dedicated to Reiser4 and being able to boot into it. Not able

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
I'll try it with 2.6.21 soon. Just to inform you that the reiserfs4 patch cleanly on 2.6.21 and working well. I've not encountered any problem so far. Thanks, Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, "Edward Shishkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at > >all, not even tail compression, > > > > ^tail compression^tail conversion > Reiser4 does use tail

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread lkml777
Hello Eric, anyone home? > On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, "Eric Hopper" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ > > > benchmark showing that compressing

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What plugins etc are you looking at? None. Just want vanilla reiser4 as I've many small files to deal with. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, "Jeff Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it. > Yeah,... let us know the details of your testing. Ok, got reiser4 running on 1 full

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, Jeff Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it. Yeah,... let us know the details of your testing. Ok, got reiser4 running on 1 full 250GB

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What plugins etc are you looking at? None. Just want vanilla reiser4 as I've many small files to deal with. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread lkml777
Hello Eric, anyone home? On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, Edward Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at all, not even tail compression, ^tail compression^tail conversion Reiser4 does use tail conversion by default.

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-26 Thread Jeff Chua
I'll try it with 2.6.21 soon. Just to inform you that the reiserfs4 patch cleanly on 2.6.21 and working well. I've not encountered any problem so far. Thanks, Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, "Jeff Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it. > Yeah,... let us know the details of your testing. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:50:22 +0800, "Jeff Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Laurent Riffard's Reiser4 patch to the default linux-2.6.20 kernel and a > > couple of others. > > Thank you. Got it. Testing it now. > > Jeff. What

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, "Edward Shishkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at > >all, not even tail compression, > > > > ^tail compression^tail conversion > Reiser4 does use tail

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Laurent Riffard's Reiser4 patch to the default linux-2.6.20 kernel and a couple of others. Thank you. Got it. Testing it now. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, "Jeff Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Will you be releasing a patch for 2.6.21-rc7 for those who are keen to > test it? The latest version I can find is reiser4-for-2.6.19-3.patch.gz. > > Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it. >

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Edward Shishkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at all, not even tail compression, ^tail compression^tail conversion Reiser4 does use tail conversion by default. but saves space by eliminating block alignment wastage (tail compression is an

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/25/07, Edward Shishkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hope we survive this, at least such peaks is not something new in our practice. Well, gentlemen, so we'll address other items (except #26, 27) and resume this discussion. Will you be releasing a patch for 2.6.21-rc7 for those who are keen

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:39:36 -0700, "Eric M. Hopper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, "Eric Hopper" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Edward Shishkin
Andi Kleen wrote: Because there are unaddressed items in this todo list: http://pub.namesys.com/Reiser4/ToDo The main issues here are xattrs and support for blocksize != pagesize. I would consider both to be optional. We have various file systems in tree that don't support either (e.g.

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Eric M. Hopper
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 20:19 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > Sure, but Hans wants to change /etc/inetd.conf into /etc/inetd.conf.d, > where you have: /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/port, > /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/protocol, /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/wait, > /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/userid,

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Eric M. Hopper
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, "Eric Hopper" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ > > benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s results in things >

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Eric M. Hopper
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s results in things taking up

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Eric M. Hopper
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 20:19 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: Sure, but Hans wants to change /etc/inetd.conf into /etc/inetd.conf.d, where you have: /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/port, /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/protocol, /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/wait, /etc/inetd.conf.d/telnet/userid,

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Edward Shishkin
Andi Kleen wrote: Because there are unaddressed items in this todo list: http://pub.namesys.com/Reiser4/ToDo The main issues here are xattrs and support for blocksize != pagesize. I would consider both to be optional. We have various file systems in tree that don't support either (e.g.

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:39:36 -0700, Eric M. Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/25/07, Edward Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope we survive this, at least such peaks is not something new in our practice. Well, gentlemen, so we'll address other items (except #26, 27) and resume this discussion. Will you be releasing a patch for 2.6.21-rc7 for those who are keen

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Edward Shishkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at all, not even tail compression, ^tail compression^tail conversion Reiser4 does use tail conversion by default. but saves space by eliminating block alignment wastage (tail compression is an

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, Jeff Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Will you be releasing a patch for 2.6.21-rc7 for those who are keen to test it? The latest version I can find is reiser4-for-2.6.19-3.patch.gz. Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it.

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurent Riffard's Reiser4 patch to the default linux-2.6.20 kernel and a couple of others. Thank you. Got it. Testing it now. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:03:12 +0400, Edward Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, the default Reiser4 DOES NOT USE any compression at all, not even tail compression, ^tail compression^tail conversion Reiser4 does use tail conversion by default.

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:50:22 +0800, Jeff Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurent Riffard's Reiser4 patch to the default linux-2.6.20 kernel and a couple of others. Thank you. Got it. Testing it now. Jeff. What plugins etc are you

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-25 Thread lkml777
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:49:11 +0800, Jeff Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reiser4 has great potential and I'll be more than happy to test it. Yeah,... let us know the details of your testing. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread lkml777
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, "Eric Hopper" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ > benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s results in things > taking up very little space and being very fast. I think you are

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Andi Kleen
> Because there are unaddressed items in this todo list: > http://pub.namesys.com/Reiser4/ToDo > The main issues here are xattrs and support for blocksize != pagesize. I would consider both to be optional. We have various file systems in tree that don't support either (e.g. JFS only supports 4K

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Edward Shishkin
Hello everyone. Begin forwarded message: Date: 23 Apr 2007 21:05:13 +0200 From: Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Eric Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Question about Reiser4 Andrew Morton <[EMA

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Apr 23 2007 17:21, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Neil Brown wrote: >> >> Our you could think outside the circle: >> Store all your "small files" as symlinks, then use "symlink" to create >> them and "readlink" to read them. (You would probably end up use >> symlinkat and readlinkat). >> Only one

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Denis Vlasenko
Theodore Tso wrote: > > One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system > call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each > attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system > calls --- an open(), read(), and close(), with all of the

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Denis Vlasenko
Theodore Tso wrote: One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system calls --- an open(), read(), and close(), with all of the overheads in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Apr 23 2007 17:21, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Neil Brown wrote: Our you could think outside the circle: Store all your small files as symlinks, then use symlink to create them and readlink to read them. (You would probably end up use symlinkat and readlinkat). Only one system call instead

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Edward Shishkin
Hello everyone. Begin forwarded message: Date: 23 Apr 2007 21:05:13 +0200 From: Andi Kleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED], linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Question about Reiser4 Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread Andi Kleen
Because there are unaddressed items in this todo list: http://pub.namesys.com/Reiser4/ToDo The main issues here are xattrs and support for blocksize != pagesize. I would consider both to be optional. We have various file systems in tree that don't support either (e.g. JFS only supports 4K

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-24 Thread lkml777
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s results in things taking up very little space and being very fast. I think you are

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 05:31:29PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Heh. sys_read_tree() -- walk a directory tree and return it as a data > structure in memory :) But maybe you don't want every single file in the directory, but some subset of the files in the directory tree. So before you know

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Theodore Tso wrote: Now, to be fair, there are probably a number of cases where open/lseek/readv/close and open/lseek/writev/close would be worth doing as a single system call. The big problem as far as I can see involves EINTR handling; such a system call has serious restartability

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Neil Brown wrote: Our you could think outside the circle: Store all your "small files" as symlinks, then use "symlink" to create them and "readlink" to read them. (You would probably end up use symlinkat and readlinkat). Only one system call instead of three. I guess you don't get meaningful

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 04:53:03PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Theodore Tso wrote: > > > >One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system > >call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each > >attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Neil Brown
On Monday April 23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Theodore Tso wrote: > > > > One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system > > call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each > > attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system > > calls ---

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Theodore Tso wrote: One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system calls --- an open(), read(), and close(), with all of the overheads in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 06:52:16AM -0700, Eric Hopper wrote: > Oh, two things really interest me about Reiser4. First, I despise > having to care about how many tiny files I leave lying around when > writing a program. Berkeley DB and its ilk are evil, evil programs that > obscure data and make

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Miguel Ojeda
On 4/23/07, Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To get it unstuck we'd need a general push, get people looking at and testing the code, get the vendors to have a serious think about it, etc. We could do that - it'd require that the namesys people (and I) start making threatening noises

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andi Kleen
Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > To get it unstuck we'd need a general push, get people looking at and testing > the code, get the vendors to have a serious think about it, etc. We could do > that - it'd require that the namesys people (and I) start making threatening > noises about

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:52:16 -0700 Eric Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:04:45AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > The namesys engineers continue to maintain reiser4 and I continue to > > receive patches for it. > > > > Right now I'd say that the main blockages for

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Eric Hopper
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:04:45AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > The namesys engineers continue to maintain reiser4 and I continue to > receive patches for it. > > Right now I'd say that the main blockages for reiser4 are a) the developers > aren't presently asking for inclusion (afaik) and b)

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread l . genoni
Here is something I don't understand... It seems there is a maintainer, namesys people, which is what I was supposing, and probably it is the most qualified one for reiser4, but it also seems you imply that they are not interested right now in kernel inclusion, since they are not asking "in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:42:24 + (GMT) William Heimbigner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: > > William Heimbigner wrote: > > > >> If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break "coding > >> standards", would it be included in the kernel? >

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread William Heimbigner
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: William Heimbigner wrote: If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break "coding standards", would it be included in the kernel? While I cannot speak for Linus and Andrew, code that fulfills these criteria (and is useful to have -

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Rik van Riel
William Heimbigner wrote: If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break "coding standards", would it be included in the kernel? While I cannot speak for Linus and Andrew, code that fulfills these criteria (and is useful to have - reiser4 seems to have enough user interest)

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/23/07, William Heimbigner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 Count me in. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread William Heimbigner
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: William Heimbigner wrote: However, is the code really in such a shape that the community doesn't want to maintain it? Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 - if there weren't, questions like this wouldn't keep

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Rik van Riel
William Heimbigner wrote: However, is the code really in such a shape that the community doesn't want to maintain it? Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 - if there weren't, questions like this wouldn't keep getting asked. There are people interested in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Rik van Riel
William Heimbigner wrote: However, is the code really in such a shape that the community doesn't want to maintain it? Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 - if there weren't, questions like this wouldn't keep getting asked. There are people interested in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread William Heimbigner
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: William Heimbigner wrote: However, is the code really in such a shape that the community doesn't want to maintain it? Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 - if there weren't, questions like this wouldn't keep

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Chua
On 4/23/07, William Heimbigner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously there's a significant number of people interested in reiser4 Count me in. Jeff. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Rik van Riel
William Heimbigner wrote: If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break coding standards, would it be included in the kernel? While I cannot speak for Linus and Andrew, code that fulfills these criteria (and is useful to have - reiser4 seems to have enough user interest) usually

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread William Heimbigner
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: William Heimbigner wrote: If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break coding standards, would it be included in the kernel? While I cannot speak for Linus and Andrew, code that fulfills these criteria (and is useful to have - reiser4

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:42:24 + (GMT) William Heimbigner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2007, Rik van Riel wrote: William Heimbigner wrote: If there was 1) a maintainer and 2) code that didn't break coding standards, would it be included in the kernel? While I cannot

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread l . genoni
Here is something I don't understand... It seems there is a maintainer, namesys people, which is what I was supposing, and probably it is the most qualified one for reiser4, but it also seems you imply that they are not interested right now in kernel inclusion, since they are not asking in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Eric Hopper
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:04:45AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: The namesys engineers continue to maintain reiser4 and I continue to receive patches for it. Right now I'd say that the main blockages for reiser4 are a) the developers aren't presently asking for inclusion (afaik) and b) lack of

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:52:16 -0700 Eric Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:04:45AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: The namesys engineers continue to maintain reiser4 and I continue to receive patches for it. Right now I'd say that the main blockages for reiser4 are

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Andi Kleen
Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To get it unstuck we'd need a general push, get people looking at and testing the code, get the vendors to have a serious think about it, etc. We could do that - it'd require that the namesys people (and I) start making threatening noises about

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Miguel Ojeda
On 4/23/07, Andrew Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To get it unstuck we'd need a general push, get people looking at and testing the code, get the vendors to have a serious think about it, etc. We could do that - it'd require that the namesys people (and I) start making threatening noises

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 06:52:16AM -0700, Eric Hopper wrote: Oh, two things really interest me about Reiser4. First, I despise having to care about how many tiny files I leave lying around when writing a program. Berkeley DB and its ilk are evil, evil programs that obscure data and make

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Theodore Tso wrote: One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system calls --- an open(), read(), and close(), with all of the overheads in

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Neil Brown
On Monday April 23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theodore Tso wrote: One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system calls --- an open(),

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 04:53:03PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Theodore Tso wrote: One of the big problems of using a filesystem as a DB is the system call overheads. If you use huge numbers of tiny files, then each attempt read an atom of information from the DB takes three system calls

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Neil Brown wrote: Our you could think outside the circle: Store all your small files as symlinks, then use symlink to create them and readlink to read them. (You would probably end up use symlinkat and readlinkat). Only one system call instead of three. I guess you don't get meaningful

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Theodore Tso wrote: Now, to be fair, there are probably a number of cases where open/lseek/readv/close and open/lseek/writev/close would be worth doing as a single system call. The big problem as far as I can see involves EINTR handling; such a system call has serious restartability

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 05:31:29PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Heh. sys_read_tree() -- walk a directory tree and return it as a data structure in memory :) But maybe you don't want every single file in the directory, but some subset of the files in the directory tree. So before you know it:

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread William Heimbigner
William Heimbigner wrote: > Eric Hopper wrote: > > I know that this whole effort has been put in disarray by the > > prosecution of Hans Reiser, but I'm curious as to its status. > > It was in disarray well before. Many of the reiser4 features, > like filesystem plugins, make more

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread Rik van Riel
William Heimbigner wrote: Eric Hopper wrote: I know that this whole effort has been put in disarray by the prosecution of Hans Reiser, but I'm curious as to its status. It was in disarray well before. Many of the reiser4 features, like filesystem plugins, make more technical sense in the

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread William Heimbigner
Eric Hopper wrote: I know that this whole effort has been put in disarray by the prosecution of Hans Reiser, but I'm curious as to its status. It was in disarray well before. Many of the reiser4 features, like filesystem plugins, make more technical sense in the Linux VFS, but made more

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread Rik van Riel
Eric Hopper wrote: I know that this whole effort has been put in disarray by the prosecution of Hans Reiser, but I'm curious as to its status. It was in disarray well before. Many of the reiser4 features, like filesystem plugins, make more technical sense in the Linux VFS, but made more

Re: Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread Lee Revell
On 4/22/07, Eric Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not an LKML subscriber. Did you try searching LKML archives? Lee - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Question about Reiser4

2007-04-22 Thread Eric Hopper
I know that this whole effort has been put in disarray by the prosecution of Hans Reiser, but I'm curious as to its status. Is Reiser4 going to be going into the Linus kernel anytime soon? Is there somewhere I should be looking to find this out without wasting bandwidth here? I'm not an LKML

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