Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - > My concern is that only "get my line of code merged" is seen as "the > ultimate thing". It's more than that. Linux is about collaboration [...] Unfortunately, this spirit of collaboration sometimes gets lost in practice when feedback is asymmetric, obnoxious, or absent. - FChE - To

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] > It does not matter [whose] code gets merged. > What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux kernel > innovates forward. > [...] This attitude has risks over the long term, if outsiders with fresh ideas are discouraged.

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:03 -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [...] > > It does not matter [whose] code gets merged. > > What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux kernel > > innovates forward. > > [...] > > This attitude has

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:05:01AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > I've had several cases myself where I spent quite some time solving a > problem, just to get some random remark from someone smart on lkml > saying "if you had done you would have had simple and superior solution>". Was I pissed

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:05:01AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: I've had several cases myself where I spent quite some time solving a problem, just to get some random remark from someone smart on lkml saying if you had done this simple thing you would have had this simple and superior

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] It does not matter [whose] code gets merged. What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux kernel innovates forward. [...] This attitude has risks over the long term, if outsiders with fresh ideas are discouraged. Risking

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:03 -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] It does not matter [whose] code gets merged. What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux kernel innovates forward. [...] This attitude has risks over the

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - My concern is that only get my line of code merged is seen as the ultimate thing. It's more than that. Linux is about collaboration [...] Unfortunately, this spirit of collaboration sometimes gets lost in practice when feedback is asymmetric, obnoxious, or absent. - FChE - To unsubscribe

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:40 -0700, Hua Zhong wrote: > > > And, from a standpoint of ONGOING, long-term innovation: what matters > > > is that brilliant, new ideas get rewarded one way or another. > > > > and in this case, the reward is that the idea got used and credit was > > given > > You

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Hua Zhong
> > And, from a standpoint of ONGOING, long-term innovation: what matters > > is that brilliant, new ideas get rewarded one way or another. > > and in this case, the reward is that the idea got used and credit was > given You mean, when Ingo announced CFS he mentioned Con's name? I really

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 10:14 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 8/1/07, Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me repeat the key message: > > > > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > > It does not matter who's code gets merged. >

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread jos
On 8/1/07, Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me repeat the key message: > > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > It does not matter who's code gets merged. > > What matters is that the

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Carlo Florendo
Arjan van de Ven wrote: Let me repeat the key message: It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 23:16 -0700, Hua Zhong wrote: > > Did Ingo have the obligation to improve Con's work? Definitely not. > > Did Con have a right to get Ingo's improvements or > > suggestions? Definitely not. > > Yes, and that's where the inequality is. > > Unless the maintainer does a really

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 23:16 -0700, Hua Zhong wrote: Did Ingo have the obligation to improve Con's work? Definitely not. Did Con have a right to get Ingo's improvements or suggestions? Definitely not. Yes, and that's where the inequality is. Unless the maintainer does a really bad job

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Carlo Florendo
Arjan van de Ven wrote: Let me repeat the key message: It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. What matters is that the problem gets solved and that the Linux

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread jos
On 8/1/07, Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me repeat the key message: It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. What matters is that the problem

Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 10:14 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/1/07, Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me repeat the key message: It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not matter who's code gets merged. It does not

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Hua Zhong
And, from a standpoint of ONGOING, long-term innovation: what matters is that brilliant, new ideas get rewarded one way or another. and in this case, the reward is that the idea got used and credit was given You mean, when Ingo announced CFS he mentioned Con's name? I really doubt

RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged!

2007-08-01 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:40 -0700, Hua Zhong wrote: And, from a standpoint of ONGOING, long-term innovation: what matters is that brilliant, new ideas get rewarded one way or another. and in this case, the reward is that the idea got used and credit was given You mean, when