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2007-09-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
om: Reyk Floeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:23:04 +0200 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing > > Hi! > > I just returned from vacation where I was offline for about two weeks. > So I totally mis

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2007-09-03 Thread Jonathan Gray
TED] Subject: Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing Hi! I just returned from vacation where I was offline for about two weeks. So I totally missed the incidence and all the surrounding discussion. I'm just digging through many many mails in my inbox from OpenBSD users and develop

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2007-09-03 Thread Jonathan Gray
: That whole Linux stealing our code thing Hi! I just returned from vacation where I was offline for about two weeks. So I totally missed the incidence and all the surrounding discussion. I'm just digging through many many mails in my inbox from OpenBSD users and developers, Linux people, GNU

RE: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-02 Thread David Schwartz
> - If you receive dual licensed code, you may not delete the license > you don't like and then distribute it. It has to stay, because you > may not edit someone's else's license -- which is a three-part legal > document (For instance: Copyright notice, BSD, followed by GPL). This is

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-02 Thread Alan Cox
> co-operation. Together we advance our detective work and knowledge of > the Macintosh platforms to the good of all Macintosh users dumped" > > Alan Cox circa 1999. > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027419.html > > "well I'd be quite happy to see X go GPL but I'm aware

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-02 Thread Alan Cox
co-operation. Together we advance our detective work and knowledge of the Macintosh platforms to the good of all Macintosh users dumped Alan Cox circa 1999. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027419.html well I'd be quite happy to see X go GPL but I'm aware thats

RE: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-02 Thread David Schwartz
- If you receive dual licensed code, you may not delete the license you don't like and then distribute it. It has to stay, because you may not edit someone's else's license -- which is a three-part legal document (For instance: Copyright notice, BSD, followed by GPL). This is absolute

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:09:18 EDT, "Constantine A. Murenin" said: > The idea here is that no patching was needed in the first place -- > most of the files are/were BSD-licensed, because they were forked from > OpenBSD. Oh, silly me. For some reason, I had it in my head that Jiri's original patch

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 01/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said: > > > Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from > > dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files. > > > > This was a mistake in this patch

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said: > Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from > dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files. > > This was a mistake in this patch (that was never merged into the tree) > neither Jiri nor Alan

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > > On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types >> of files changed by Jiri's patch: >> 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only >> 2. previously dual

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix made the code not work with

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:58:26PM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: > Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted > to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch > it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix > made the

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Casey Dahlin
Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix made the code not work with the original? We took the code and fixed a gaping

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types >> of files changed by Jiri's patch: >> 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only >> 2. previously dual

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:42:54PM -0400, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > We asked SFLC to work with us to make sure that everyone's copyrights > were respected in the right places, and that the licenses various developers > wanted for their copyrights were implemented correctly. The patch I sent >

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Constantine A. Murenin wrote: On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the original copyright and license permission

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On 9/1/07, Constantine A. Murenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jason Dixon wrote: > > > Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must > > > remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your > > >

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason Dixon wrote: > > Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must > > remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your > > license, but the original copyright and license permission remains > > intact.

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the original copyright and license permission remains intact. Many other entities (Microsoft, Apple, Sun, etc) have used BSD

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types of files changed by Jiri's patch: 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only 2. previously dual licenced files with a too recent version used planned to make GPL-only

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types of files changed by Jiri's patch: 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only 2. previously dual licenced files with a too recent version used planned to make GPL-only

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the original copyright and license permission remains intact. Many other entities (Microsoft, Apple, Sun, etc) have used BSD

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the original copyright and license permission remains intact. Many

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On 9/1/07, Constantine A. Murenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Constantine A. Murenin wrote: On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: Once the grantor (Reyk) releases his code under that license, it must remain. You are free to derive work and redistribute under your license, but the original copyright and license permission

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:42:54PM -0400, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: We asked SFLC to work with us to make sure that everyone's copyrights were respected in the right places, and that the licenses various developers wanted for their copyrights were implemented correctly. The patch I sent

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types of files changed by Jiri's patch: 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only 2. previously dual licenced

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Casey Dahlin
Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix made the code not work with the original? We took the code and fixed a gaping

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:58:26PM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix made the code

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 1, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: Suppose you saw some other variant of *nix that had some code you wanted to use, but there was a gaping security hole in it. Wouldn't you patch it before you incorporated it? and would it be your fault if this fix made the code not work with

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:36:24PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Sep 1, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: OK, I begin to understand this, there seem to be three different types of files changed by Jiri's patch: 1. dual licenced files planned to make GPL-only 2. previously dual licenced

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said: Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files. This was a mistake in this patch (that was never merged into the tree) neither Jiri nor Alan noticed.

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 01/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:55:37 +0200, Adrian Bunk said: Jiri's patch would have wrongly not only removed the BSD statement from dual licenced files but also from not dual licenced files. This was a mistake in this patch (that was

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:09:18 EDT, Constantine A. Murenin said: The idea here is that no patching was needed in the first place -- most of the files are/were BSD-licensed, because they were forked from OpenBSD. Oh, silly me. For some reason, I had it in my head that Jiri's original patch