Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Eric Wong
Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets m

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets me the most is > > upgrading to a new

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 23.03.21 16:01, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> If we can >>> actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel >>> developers a huge amount of time and frustration. >> And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them r

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 23.03.21 19:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:57:57AM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:57:57AM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >> I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > >> important problem we should work on – at l

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 12:20:25PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:25:15 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of > > kernel developmen

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread James Bottomley
On Tue, 2021-03-23 at 12:20 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:25:15 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective > > of kernel development. But

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Steven Rostedt
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:25:15 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of > kernel development. But from the users perspective (and > reporting-issues.rst is written fo

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > If we can > > actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel > > developers a huge amount of time and frustration. > > And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them read it is the > problem. :-/ I've added a very

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Luis Chamberlain
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 1:25 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > > On 22.03.21 19:32, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM Thorsten Leemhuis > > wrote: > >> > >> I even requested a > >> "linux-regressi...@vger.kernel.org" a while later, but didn't hear > >> anything back;

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more >> important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of >> kernel development. But from the users per

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of > kernel development. But from the users perspective (and > reporting-issues.rst is writt

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 17:55, Lukas Bulwahn wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:38 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Lo! I want to provide users with an easier way to search our multitude >> of mailing lists for reports about issues (aka bugs), as reporting the >> same kernel problem multiple times has known dow

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 19:32, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> >> I even requested a >> "linux-regressi...@vger.kernel.org" a while later, but didn't hear >> anything back; and, sadly, about the same time I started having trouble >> finding spare time

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 07:55:29PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Out of curiosity: will that work for other bug trackers as well? Like > the gitlab instance used by the drm developers? It's not really > important and I guess the answer will be "no", but the question came up > while at it... If

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 19:34, Eric Wong wrote: > James Bottomley wrote: >> On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 13:16 -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 04:18:14PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: Note, there is a second reason why ksummit-discuss is CCed: another reason why I want to c

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Eric Wong
James Bottomley wrote: > On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 13:16 -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 04:18:14PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > Note, there is a second reason why ksummit-discuss is CCed: another > > > reason why I want to create this new list is making it easi

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > I even requested a > "linux-regressi...@vger.kernel.org" a while later, but didn't hear > anything back; and, sadly, about the same time I started having trouble > finding spare time for working on regression tracking. :-/ Honestly,

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 13:16 -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 04:18:14PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Note, there is a second reason why ksummit-discuss is CCed: another > > reason why I want to create this new list is making it easier to > > find and track regress

Re: RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 04:18:14PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Note, there is a second reason why ksummit-discuss is CCed: another > reason why I want to create this new list is making it easier to find > and track regressions reported to our various mailing lists (often > without LKML in CC,

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Lukas Bulwahn
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:38 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > Lo! I want to provide users with an easier way to search our multitude > of mailing lists for reports about issues (aka bugs), as reporting the > same kernel problem multiple times has known downsides for everyone > involved. That's wh

RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Lo! I want to provide users with an easier way to search our multitude of mailing lists for reports about issues (aka bugs), as reporting the same kernel problem multiple times has known downsides for everyone involved. That's why I propose to create this new mailing list: linux-iss...@lists.lin