Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. Since you appear to be determined to ignore reason and stick to your misguided guns I'll leave you to destroy all the good work that has gone into the Linux kernel's documentation and make it something even Bill Gates would be proud of. However, I'll stick to documentation that actuall

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-23 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Riley Williams writes: > Hi Albert. The rule should be like this: List the lowest version number required to get 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. >>> Replace that "a 2.2.xx" with "my current" and remove all >>> restrictions on what the current kernel

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-19 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. >>> The rule should be like this: >>> >>>List the lowest version number required to get >>>2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. >> That's a meaningless definition, and can only be taken as such. What >> use would such a list be to somebody wishing (like I

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-18 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Riley Williams writes: >> The rule should be like this: >> >> List the lowest version number required to get >> 2.2.xx-level features while running a 2.4.xx kernel. > > That's a meaningless definition, and can only be taken as such. What > use would such a list be to somebody wishing (l

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Albert. >> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, >>> Exactly why? Mere missing features don't make for a required >>> upgrade. Version number inflation should be resisted. >> These days you can mount

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. >> {Shrug} Thinking isn't sufficient - check your facts. > Poor Riley, > > Probably I should not answer, I think you know all the facts > already. But just to be sure: > (i) There are two different packages, kbd and a forked version, > console-tools. Both contain roughly the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-17 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> If the old mount can still do what it used to do, > then "mount" need not be listed at all. Well, I started saying that the mount line should be deleted, so we somewhat agree. > If I run the mount command from Red Hat 6.2, using it > as intended for a 2.2.xx kernel, doesn't everything work? R

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Andries.Brouwer writes: >> From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version Concerning mount: (i) the version mention

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> {Shrug} Thinking isn't sufficient - check your facts. Poor Riley, Probably I should not answer, I think you know all the facts already. But just to be sure: (i) There are two different packages, kbd and a forked version, console-tools. Both contain roughly the same programs. In your earlier m

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. > Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, > they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version > of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in > `mount --version` giving the wrong answer... > Th

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Nick Holloway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > {Shrug} Please explain why I was unable to get ver_linux to report a > > % ./loadkeys -h 2>&1 | head -1 > loadkeys version 1.06 > > Maybe nothing has changed here the past eight years. It just works. > Perhaps you

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neither am I - but, according to comments from RedHat a while back, they repackage mount separately because they provide a NEWER version of mount than is in the util-linux package. This will ALSO result in `mount --version` giving the w

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-16 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. > [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to > notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc > the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version +o util-linux

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-15 Thread Rogier Wolff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > >> > >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, > On the

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-15 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version >> >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too ol

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Alexander Viro writes: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V >>> +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version >> >> Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, Exactly why? Mere missing features don't mak

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Russell King
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 08:29:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There is no other source. Some people like to repack but that > has no influence on versions. I believe that RedHat don't build mount and util-linux from the same tree. Maybe they do internally, but when you look at the RPMs, th

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From: Riley Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Yes, I wrote, replying to your mail, just because I happened to notice the incorrect or debatable lines in your patch. Let me cc the Changes maintainer - maybe Chris Ricker.] >> -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --ver

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Andries. >> -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version >> +o util-linux # 2.10o# fdformat --version > Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps not > the most reliable way - some people have fdformat from fd-utils > or so

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps >not the most reliable way - some people have fdformat from fd-utils or so. >Using mount --version would be better - I am not aware of any >other mount distribution. Bad idea. RedHat has mount and util-linux

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> Many systems have mount (and bsdutils) separated from util-linux > as a binary package. Built from the same source, indeed, but... I hope that this habit is dying. Long ago that was reasonable, but these days (years) it only causes extra work. >> Concerning Console Tools: maybe kbd-1.05 is uni

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Alexander Viro
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > +o Console Tools # 0.3.3# loadkeys -V > > +o Mount # 2.10e# mount --version > > Concerning mount: (i) the version mentioned is too old, > (ii) mount is in util-linux. Conclusion: the mount line > should be

Re: [PATCH] Improved version reporting

2001-03-14 Thread Andries . Brouwer
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:39:53AM +, Riley Williams wrote: > -o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version > +o util-linux # 2.10o# fdformat --version Looking at fdformat to get the util-linux version is perhaps not the most reliable way - some p