Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-18 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:52:27AM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:14:24AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > And what's wrong for one maintainer will be right for another, and > > vice versa. > Ok, so what's wrong with "should not expect any feedback during the > merge w

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-18 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 18/12/2014 11:42, Borislav Petkov wrote: > > But a mail from your manager asking to merge a large feature after rc6 > > will definitely make me more grumpy. > > I sincerely hope it'll never be the case where managers dictate the > development on lkml. If this happens, we're terminally screwed.

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-18 Thread Borislav Petkov
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:35:40AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > But a mail from your manager asking to merge a large feature after rc6 > will definitely make me more grumpy. I sincerely hope it'll never be the case where managers dictate the development on lkml. If this happens, we're terminally

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-18 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 16/12/2014 19:09, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > In general, I worry about trying to codify things too much just because > different maintainers have different expectations. As Linus noted, some > maintainers have their work done by the time the merge window starts and > can take patches just fine

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-17 Thread Borislav Petkov
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:14:24AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > And what's wrong for one maintainer will be right for another, and > vice versa. Ok, so what's wrong with "should not expect any feedback during the merge window"? If they get it, then that's fine. The formulation is loose on purpo

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:31:33PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:19:02PM -0800, Kevin Cernekee wrote: > > In the current process, many submitters do not know their maintainer's > > policy until they get in trouble for violating it. > > Just say what Christoph suggested

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-16 Thread Borislav Petkov
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:19:02PM -0800, Kevin Cernekee wrote: > In the current process, many submitters do not know their maintainer's > policy until they get in trouble for violating it. Just say what Christoph suggested: people should not expect any feedback during the merge window. If they ge

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-16 Thread Kevin Cernekee
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:09:46 -0800 > Kevin Cernekee wrote: > >> This patch series amends the kernel development process to reduce the >> load on key maintainers during peak periods, by discouraging the submission >> of non-urgent patches

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-16 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 01:09:39PM -0500, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > > In general, I worry about trying to codify things too much just because > different maintainers have different expectations. As Linus noted, some > maintainers have their work done by the time the merge window starts and > can t

Re: [RFC 0/4] Stop maintainer abuse

2014-12-16 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:09:46 -0800 Kevin Cernekee wrote: > This patch series amends the kernel development process to reduce the > load on key maintainers during peak periods, by discouraging the submission > of non-urgent patches while the merge window is open. You do understand the irony of po