Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-20 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Marc Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! At first I thought you've got a point here: you definitely _do_

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-20 Thread Tim Tassonis
Hi Marc Before everyone gets pissed off and freaks out why don't you ponder the question why rm won't delete all the files in the directory. If you can't grasp that then you're brain damaged. Think big people. Say NO to vi! At first I thought you've got a point here: you definitely _do_

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Casey Dahlin
Michael Tharp wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Michael Tharp
Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. > This isn't about the rm command it's about programming > standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't >

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:34 PDT, Marc Perkel said: > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > rm * > > What do you get? > >

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 06:22 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. no the important point is that you're an absolute horrible troll and are

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Paolo Ornati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) > Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions > of > > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has > a > > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of > users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a > problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a > cult. Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for

Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings > >directly from the old mm into the new mm. > > Me wonders. Will that make the "checking for maximum length of command line >

Re: Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Jose Celestino
Words by Marc Perkel [Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700]: > > --- Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby > > wrote: > > > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > > > Let me give you and example of the difference > > between > > > > Linux open

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Torsten Duwe
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: > > What does this have to do with rm command? > Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. > (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > The important point that you are missing here is that > the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command > that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. The important point you are missing is that it is not the rm command

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby > wrote: > > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking > and > > > what it's like out here in the

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Jiri Slaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > > > rm * >

Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)

2007-08-19 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Aug 19 2007 14:39, Paolo Ornati wrote: >> WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names >> WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in >> WT> arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs >> WT> were invented! >> >> It

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > > Let me give you and example of > > > > > brain damaged thinking > > > > > out here in the real world. > > > I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was > > fantastic. > > Sounds like it hasn't worn off

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:31:21 +0200 Benny Amorsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "WT" == Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names > WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in > WT>

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Benny Amorsen
> "WT" == Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WT> Under unix, the shell resolves "*" and passes the 1 file names WT> to the "rm" command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT> arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT> were invented! It would

[OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: > Marc Perkel napsal(a): > > Let me give you and example of the difference between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: >

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread hotmetal
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: > > > Let me give you and example of > > > brain damaged thinking > > > out here in the real world. > I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was > fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Jiri Slaby
Marc Perkel napsal(a): > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. > > Go to a directory with 10k files and type: > > rm * > > What do you get? > > /bin/rm: Argument list too long

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Al Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc > Perkel wrote: > > Let me give you and example of the difference > between > > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > > what it's like out here in the real world. > > [snip] > > Marc, why

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Let me give you and example of the difference between > Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and > what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire Jeff Merkey? He used to

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Al Viro
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the obvious thing and hire Jeff Merkey? He used to

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Al Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 10:20:34PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. [snip] Marc, why don't you do the

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Jiri Slaby
Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long What does this

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread hotmetal
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of snip brain damaged thinking snip out here in the real world. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

[OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm *

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Benny Amorsen
WT == Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT were invented! It would be very handy if

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:31:21 +0200 Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WT == Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much

Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)

2007-08-19 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Aug 19 2007 14:39, Paolo Ornati wrote: WT Under unix, the shell resolves * and passes the 1 file names WT to the rm command. Now, execve() may fail because 1 names in WT arguments can require too much memory. That's why find and xargs WT were invented! It would be very handy if

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 August 2007, Marc Perkel wrote: Let me give you and example of snip brain damaged thinking snip out here in the real world. I tried Peyote once about 25 years ago and it was fantastic. Sounds like it hasn't worn off yet. Afreed.

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Jiri Slaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world.

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. The important point you are missing is that it is not the rm command

Re: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Torsten Duwe
On Sunday 19 August 2007, Willy Tarreau wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: What does this have to do with rm command? Nothing, and no more with linux development. Marc confuses shell and rm. (please do not follow up on this OT thread, responses to /dev/null)

Re: Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Jose Celestino
Words by Marc Perkel [Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:22:37AM -0700]: --- Willy Tarreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote: Marc Perkel napsal(a): Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain

Re: variable length argument support (was: [OT] Re: The vi editor causes brain damage)

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove the arg+env limit of MAX_ARG_PAGES by copying the strings directly from the old mm into the new mm. Me wonders. Will that make the checking for maximum length of command line arguments from

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Paolo Ornati
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a cult. Fixed in 2.6.23-rc (and not just for rm):

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
--- Paolo Ornati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20 years, a million programmers, tens of millions of users and RM is BROKEN. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? If so - I'm normal - and Linux is a

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 06:22 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. no the important point is that you're an absolute horrible troll and are

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:34 PDT, Marc Perkel said: Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Michael Tharp
Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux community isn't

Re: The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-19 Thread Casey Dahlin
Michael Tharp wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: The important point that you are missing here is that the Linux world is willing to live with an rm command that is broken and the Windows and DOS world isn't. This isn't about the rm command it's about programming standards. It's about that the Linux

The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-18 Thread Marc Perkel
Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long If you map a network drive in DOS and type: del

The vi editor causes brain damage

2007-08-18 Thread Marc Perkel
Let me give you and example of the difference between Linux open source world brain damaged thinking and what it's like out here in the real world. Go to a directory with 10k files and type: rm * What do you get? /bin/rm: Argument list too long If you map a network drive in DOS and type: del