On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 04:59:39PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
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> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > >...
> > > This is why I've been advocating bugzilla "forget" stuff, for example. I
> > > tend to see bugzilla as
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >...
> > This is why I've been advocating bugzilla "forget" stuff, for example. I
> > tend to see bugzilla as a place where noise accumulates, rather than a
> > place where noise is made
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:04:58AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>...
> This is why I've been advocating bugzilla "forget" stuff, for example. I
> tend to see bugzilla as a place where noise accumulates, rather than a
> place where noise is made into a signal.
>
> Which gets my to the real issue
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:01:19AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> > The -mm kernel already implements what your proposed PTS would do.
> >
> > Plus it gives testers more or less all patches currently pending
> > inclusion into Linus' tree in one kern
Oleg Verych wrote:
[I wrote]
>> a) Would it save me more time than it costs me to fit into the system
>>(time that can be invested in actual debugging)?
>>This can only be answered after trying it.
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> I'm not a wizard, if i will answer now: "No." [1:]
>
> [1:] Your User-Agent: Mozilla/5.
* Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:50:48 +0200
>
> [...]
>> Current identification of problems and patch association
>> have completely zero level of tracking or automation, while Bugzilla is
>> believed by somebody to have positive efficiency in bug tracking.
>
> I, as maintainer of a small subsystem,
Oleg Verych wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 04:27:15PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
>> There are different people involved in
>> - patch handling,
>> - bug handling (bugs are reported by end-users),
>> therefore don't forget that PTS and BTS have different requirements.
>
> Sure. But if track
* Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
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> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
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>> I'm proposing kind of smart tracking, summarized before. I'm not an
>> idealist, doing manual work. Making tools -- is what i've picked up from
>> one of your mails. Thus hope of having more opinions o
On 6/19/07, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
>
> I'm proposing kind of smart tracking, summarized before. I'm not an
> idealist, doing manual work. Making tools -- is what i've picked up from
> one of your mails. Thus hope of having more opinions
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
>
> I'm proposing kind of smart tracking, summarized before. I'm not an
> idealist, doing manual work. Making tools -- is what i've picked up from
> one of your mails. Thus hope of having more opinions on that.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't actually respon
* Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:08:13 +0200
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>> Crazy development{0}. Somebody knows, that comprehensively testing
>> hibernation is their thing. I don't care about it, i care about foo, bar.
>> Thus i can apply for example lguest patches and implement and test new
>> asm-offset replacement, *easily*.
Linus,
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:01:19AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> > The goal is to get all patches for a maintained subsystem submitted to
> > Linus by the maintainer.
Nice quote. I'm trying to make proposition/convince Adrian, who is i
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 04:27:15PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> On 6/19/2007 4:05 PM, Oleg Verych wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >> The Debian BTS requires you to either write emails with control messages
> >> or generating control messages with externa
Oleg Verych wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> The -mm kernel already implements what your proposed PTS would do.
...
>> Plus it gives testers more or less all patches currently pending
>> inclusion into Linus' tree in one kernel they can test.
>
> Crazy deve
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> The goal is to get all patches for a maintained subsystem submitted to
> Linus by the maintainer.
Well, to be honest, I've actually over the years tried to have a policy of
*never* really having black-and-white policies.
The fact is, some maintaine
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 04:05:12PM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
>...
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 06:06:47AM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
>...
> > > When patch in sent to this PTS, your lovely
> > > checkpatch/check-whatever-crap-has-being
On 6/19/2007 4:05 PM, Oleg Verych wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> The Debian BTS requires you to either write emails with control messages
>> or generating control messages with external tools.
...
>> In Bugzilla the same works through a web interface.
...
[Dropping noise for Debbugs, because interested people may join via Gmane]
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 02:48:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 06:06:47AM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
> > [Dear Debbug developers, i wish your ideas will be useful.]
> >
> > * From: Linus Torvalds
> >
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
> * From: Linus Torvalds
> * Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel
> * Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > I do agree. It _sounds_ like a great idea to try to control the
> > flow of patches better,
>
> There were some ideas, i will try to summarize:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 06:06:47AM +0200, Oleg Verych wrote:
> [Dear Debbug developers, i wish your ideas will be useful.]
>
> * From: Linus Torvalds
> * Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel
> * Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Martin Bligh wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry
[Dear Debbug developers, i wish your ideas will be useful.]
* From: Linus Torvalds
* Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel
* Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Martin Bligh wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I've seen those sort of things
>> before, and they ju
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