Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-20 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > (Aside, is this because X uses keyboard in raw mode? would be nice to still > be able to ctrl-alt-del to rebood from console) Anyone know about > using alt-sysrq to restore console? Alt-SysRq-U,S,B. Should work as long as kernel is alive. It is not completely clean shutdown, but will

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-20 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! (Aside, is this because X uses keyboard in raw mode? would be nice to still be able to ctrl-alt-del to rebood from console) Anyone know about using alt-sysrq to restore console? Alt-SysRq-U,S,B. Should work as long as kernel is alive. It is not completely clean shutdown, but will

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-16 Thread James Simmons
>(Aside, is this because X uses keyboard in raw mode? would be nice to >still be able to ctrl-alt-del to rebood from console) Anyone know about >using alt-sysrq to restore console? > >So, if the kernel had a card specific module that just knew enough >to put the card back into text mode, or if

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-16 Thread James Simmons
>I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every >other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the >kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not >only improve performance but would allow competing windowing systems

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-16 Thread James Simmons
I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not only improve performance but would allow competing windowing systems without

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-16 Thread James Simmons
(Aside, is this because X uses keyboard in raw mode? would be nice to still be able to ctrl-alt-del to rebood from console) Anyone know about using alt-sysrq to restore console? So, if the kernel had a card specific module that just knew enough to put the card back into text mode, or if it

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Brad Douglas
X. I could also argue that if video was moved into the kernel in that manner, stability would decrease, but performance could be dramatically increased. > Both options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is > shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had > se

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Jeremy Jackson
Please CC me if sending to xpert list. This is a big topic. I think I can contribute a whole two cents worth though... Interesting to note that NT's windowing system moved from being originally in userland to inside the kernel between V3.? and 4.0. Remember mom saying "If your friends all jump

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Timur Tabi
** Reply to message from "Albert D. Cahalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:09:10 -0500 (EST) > Both options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is > shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had > serious video drivers for

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Timur Tabi
** Reply to message from "Albert D. Cahalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:09:10 -0500 (EST) Both options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had serious video drivers for PC hardware, t

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Jeremy Jackson
Please CC me if sending to xpert list. This is a big topic. I think I can contribute a whole two cents worth though... Interesting to note that NT's windowing system moved from being originally in userland to inside the kernel between V3.? and 4.0. Remember mom saying "If your friends all jump

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-14 Thread Brad Douglas
would decrease, but performance could be dramatically increased. Both options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had serious video drivers for PC hardware, then driver support for the other operating systems would

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
ssure hooks though. Both options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had serious video drivers for PC hardware, then driver support for the other operating systems would mostly go away. Linux would become a better desktop

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Louis Garcia wrote: > I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every > other piece of hardware. See linux/drivers/video and linux/drivers/char/drm in kernel 2.4. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Mark Vojkovich
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Louis Garcia wrote: > I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every > other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the > kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not > only improve performance

Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Louis Garcia
I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not only improve performance but would allow competing windowing systems

Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Louis Garcia
I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not only improve performance but would allow competing windowing systems

Re: [Xpert]Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Mark Vojkovich
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Louis Garcia wrote: I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every other piece of hardware. I would think if video drivers were part of the kernel and had a nice API for X or any other windowing system, would not only improve performance but

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Louis Garcia wrote: I was wondering why video drivers are not part of the kernel like every other piece of hardware. See linux/drivers/video and linux/drivers/char/drm in kernel 2.4. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Video drivers and the kernel

2001-02-13 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
options cause political troubles. Currently the X server is shared with OS/2 and other crummy systems. If the Linux kernel had serious video drivers for PC hardware, then driver support for the other operating systems would mostly go away. Linux would become a better desktop OS, at the expense