Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-09 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi J.H., On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:25:18 -0800, J.H. wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:01 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > > > they cache just fine and it's not that big of a deal, and there are much > > > longer poles in the tent right now. > > > > The images are being regenerated every other minute

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-09 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi J.H., On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:25:18 -0800, J.H. wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:01 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: they cache just fine and it's not that big of a deal, and there are much longer poles in the tent right now. The images are being regenerated every other minute or so, so I

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:01 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > Hi JH, > > On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0800, J.H. wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > > > * Drop the bandwidth graphs. Most visitors certainly do not care, and > > > their presence generates traffic on all

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi JH, On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0800, J.H. wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > > * Drop the bandwidth graphs. Most visitors certainly do not care, and > > their presence generates traffic on all web servers regardless of the > > one the visitor is using, as each

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi again. On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 06:09 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:29:35PM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > Hi again. > > > > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:29:35PM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > Hi again. > > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > >> The two things git users can do to help is: > > >> > > >> 1.

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi again. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >> The two things git users can do to help is: > >> > >> 1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; > >> 2. Keep your trees

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Salut Willy, On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:37:58 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > Hi Jean, > > On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > > > On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > Willy Tarreau wrote: > > > > > > > Just evil suggestion, but if

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread J.H.
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > Hi JH, > > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:30:34 -0800, J.H. wrote: > > The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > > on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident > > in memory, which is

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi JH, On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:30:34 -0800, J.H. wrote: > The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident > in memory, which is forcing more and more to actively go to disk causing > a much higher I/O

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:23:54 -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: > I can't really say since I have no performance/profile data to base > it on. There has been some noise about (not) providing mirror services > for distros. Is that a big cpu/memory consumer? If so, then is that > something that

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Jean, On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Willy Tarreau wrote: > > > > > Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they > > > might be _very_ interested in taking HP's

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi Peter, On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Willy Tarreau wrote: > > > Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they > > might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and providing whatever > > you need to get their name on www.kernel.org. Sun and

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi Peter, On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Willy Tarreau wrote: Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and providing whatever you need to get their name on www.kernel.org. Sun and IBM do

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Jean, On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Willy Tarreau wrote: Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:23:54 -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: I can't really say since I have no performance/profile data to base it on. There has been some noise about (not) providing mirror services for distros. Is that a big cpu/memory consumer? If so, then is that something that kernel.org

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi JH, On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:30:34 -0800, J.H. wrote: The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident in memory, which is forcing more and more to actively go to disk causing a much higher I/O

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread J.H.
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: Hi JH, On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:30:34 -0800, J.H. wrote: The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident in memory, which is forcing more

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Salut Willy, On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:37:58 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: Hi Jean, On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:31:50PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: Hi Peter, On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:02:59 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Willy Tarreau wrote: Just evil suggestion, but if you contact

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi again. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: The two things git users can do to help is: 1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; 2. Keep your trees packed and pruned,

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:29:35PM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi again. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: The two things git users can do to help is: 1. Make sure your

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi again. On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 06:09 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:29:35PM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi again. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 21:17 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi JH, On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0800, J.H. wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: * Drop the bandwidth graphs. Most visitors certainly do not care, and their presence generates traffic on all web servers regardless of the one the visitor is using, as each graph

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-08 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:01 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: Hi JH, On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0800, J.H. wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 22:20 +0100, Jean Delvare wrote: * Drop the bandwidth graphs. Most visitors certainly do not care, and their presence generates traffic on all web servers

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Randy Dunlap wrote: Hi, I'm sure that all of this ext3fs etc. discussion is good, but let me clarify: I would be much happier if the kernel.org main page and the finger_banner info were updated at the same time that new tarballs were put onto kernel.org. Tough sh*t. Now someone may say

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Greg KH wrote: Well, I create my repos by doing a: git clone -l --bare which makes a hardlink from Linus's tree. But then it gets copied over to the public server, which probably severs that hardlink :( Any shortcut to clone or set up a repo using "alternatives" so that we don't have

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread Greg KH
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:22:31PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >>Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all. > >> > >>The two things git users can do to help is: > >> > >>1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; >

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:21:15 -0800 J.H. wrote: > It's an issue of load, and both machines are running 'hot' so to speak. > When the loads on the machines climbs our update rsyncs take longer to > complete (considering that our loads are completely based on I/O this > isn't surprising). More or

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:21:15 -0800 J.H. wrote: It's an issue of load, and both machines are running 'hot' so to speak. When the loads on the machines climbs our update rsyncs take longer to complete (considering that our loads are completely based on I/O this isn't surprising). More or less

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread Greg KH
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:22:31PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all. The two things git users can do to help is: 1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; 2. Keep your trees

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Greg KH wrote: Well, I create my repos by doing a: git clone -l --bare which makes a hardlink from Linus's tree. But then it gets copied over to the public server, which probably severs that hardlink :( Any shortcut to clone or set up a repo using alternatives so that we don't have

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-07 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Randy Dunlap wrote: Hi, I'm sure that all of this ext3fs etc. discussion is good, but let me clarify: I would be much happier if the kernel.org main page and the finger_banner info were updated at the same time that new tarballs were put onto kernel.org. Tough sh*t. Now someone may say

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 23:10 -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > >> Nigel Cunningham wrote: > >>> Hi. > >>> > >>> I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just > >>> moved all

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > Also, I wonder if "git push" will push only the non-linux-2.6.git objects, if > both local and remote sides have the proper alternatives set up? Yes. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all. The two things git users can do to help is: 1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; 2. Keep your trees packed and pruned, to keep the file count down. If you do this,

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just > > moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new > > hardware. If others were encouraged to do the

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: The most fundamental problem seems to be that I can't tell currnt Linux kernels that the dcache/icache is precious, and that it's way too eager to dump dcache and icache in favour of data blocks. If I could do that, this problem would be much, much smaller. Usually

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:20:27 -0800 "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Morton wrote: > >> > >> Unfortunately that affects all three of: dcache, icache, and mbcache. > >> Maybe we could split that sysctl in two (Andrew?), so that one sysctl > >> affects dcache/icache and another

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: Unfortunately that affects all three of: dcache, icache, and mbcache. Maybe we could split that sysctl in two (Andrew?), so that one sysctl affects dcache/icache and another affects mbcache. That would be simple enough to do, if someone can demonstrate a need. Is

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: The most fundamental problem seems to be that I can't tell currnt Linux kernels that the dcache/icache is precious, and that it's way too eager to dump dcache and icache in favour of data blocks. If I could do that, this problem would be much, much smaller. Usually

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:13:50 -0500 Jeff Garzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Randy Dunlap wrote: > >> > BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that > they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought > it was

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:37:46 -0800 Nicholas Miell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 11:18 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > > > >>> BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that > > >>> they were not even signed not bziped on hera.

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic script has been temporarily been disabled

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nicholas Miell
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 11:18 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > >>> BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that > >>> they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought > >>> it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:18:37AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > >>>BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that > >>>they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought > >>>it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread J.H.
It's an issue of load, and both machines are running 'hot' so to speak. When the loads on the machines climbs our update rsyncs take longer to complete (considering that our loads are completely based on I/O this isn't surprising). More or less nothing has changed since:

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic script has been temporarily been disabled on hera too ? The script

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:52:51 -0800 J.H. wrote: > On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:34 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: > > (...) > > > > > So we know the problem is there, and we are working on it - we are > > > getting e-mails about it if not daily

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:52:51 -0800 J.H. wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:34 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: (...) So we know the problem is there, and we are working on it - we are getting e-mails about it if not daily than every

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic script has been temporarily been disabled on hera too ? The script

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread J.H.
It's an issue of load, and both machines are running 'hot' so to speak. When the loads on the machines climbs our update rsyncs take longer to complete (considering that our loads are completely based on I/O this isn't surprising). More or less nothing has changed since:

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:18:37AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nicholas Miell
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 11:18 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 11:37:46 -0800 Nicholas Miell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 11:18 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I have a doubt. Maybe the automatic script has been temporarily been disabled

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:13:50 -0500 Jeff Garzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H. Peter Anvin wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: BTW, yesterday my 2.4 patches were not published, but I noticed that they were not even signed not bziped on hera. At first I simply thought it was related, but right now I

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: The most fundamental problem seems to be that I can't tell currnt Linux kernels that the dcache/icache is precious, and that it's way too eager to dump dcache and icache in favour of data blocks. If I could do that, this problem would be much, much smaller. Usually

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: Unfortunately that affects all three of: dcache, icache, and mbcache. Maybe we could split that sysctl in two (Andrew?), so that one sysctl affects dcache/icache and another affects mbcache. That would be simple enough to do, if someone can demonstrate a need. Is

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Andrew Morton
On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:20:27 -0800 H. Peter Anvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Morton wrote: Unfortunately that affects all three of: dcache, icache, and mbcache. Maybe we could split that sysctl in two (Andrew?), so that one sysctl affects dcache/icache and another affects mbcache.

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Andrew Morton wrote: The most fundamental problem seems to be that I can't tell currnt Linux kernels that the dcache/icache is precious, and that it's way too eager to dump dcache and icache in favour of data blocks. If I could do that, this problem would be much, much smaller. Usually

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to do the same, it

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all. The two things git users can do to help is: 1. Make sure your alternatives file is set up correctly; 2. Keep your trees packed and pruned, to keep the file count down. If you do this,

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote: Also, I wonder if git push will push only the non-linux-2.6.git objects, if both local and remote sides have the proper alternatives set up? Yes. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread Nigel Cunningham
Hi. On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 23:10 -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2007-01-06 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 08:49 -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Willy Tarreau wrote: Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and providing whatever you need to get their name on www.kernel.org. Sun and IBM do such monter machines too. That would not be very kind to HP, but it might

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to do the same, it might help a lot? Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all.

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Russell King wrote: Ergo, downloads via http from ftp.uk.kernel.org are at best unreliable for multiple requests. I agree that it's not directly your problem, and isn't something you have direct control over. However, if you want to round-robin the .kernel.org IP addresses between different

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Dave Jones wrote: A wild idea just occured to me. You guys are running Fedora/RHEL kernels on the kernel.org boxes iirc, which have Ingo's 'tux' httpd accelerator. It might not make the problem go away, but it could make it more bearable under high load. Or it might do absolutely squat

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Dave Jones wrote: A wild idea just occured to me. You guys are running Fedora/RHEL kernels on the kernel.org boxes iirc, which have Ingo's 'tux' httpd accelerator. It might not make the problem go away, but it could make it more bearable under high load. Or it might do absolutely squat

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Russell King wrote: Ergo, downloads via http from ftp.uk.kernel.org are at best unreliable for multiple requests. I agree that it's not directly your problem, and isn't something you have direct control over. However, if you want to round-robin the cc.kernel.org IP addresses between different

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Nigel Cunningham wrote: Hi. I've have git trees against a few versions besides Linus', and have just moved all but Linus' to staging to help until you can get your new hardware. If others were encouraged to do the same, it might help a lot? Not really. In fact, it would hardly help at all.

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-26 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Willy Tarreau wrote: Just evil suggestion, but if you contact someone else than HP, they might be _very_ interested in taking HP's place and providing whatever you need to get their name on www.kernel.org. Sun and IBM do such monter machines too. That would not be very kind to HP, but it might

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Tim Schmielau
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, J.H. wrote: > - Gitweb is causing us no end of headache, Is there any mirror for http://git.kernel.org/git/ other than git2.kernel.org? If there is, it would probably help to make it better known. thanks, Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:36:06AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: > > > I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining tends to > > work. Specifically as I am writing this the machines are both pushing > > right around

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: > I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining tends to > work. Specifically as I am writing this the machines are both pushing > right around 150mbps, however the load on zeus1 is 170 vs. zeus2's 4. > Also when we peak

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: > > If the frontend machines are not taken off-line too often, it should > > be no big deal for them to handle something such as LVS, and would > > help spreding the load. > > I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: If the frontend machines are not taken off-line too often, it should be no big deal for them to handle something such as LVS, and would help spreding the load. I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining tends to

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining tends to work. Specifically as I am writing this the machines are both pushing right around 150mbps, however the load on zeus1 is 170 vs. zeus2's 4. Also when we peak the

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:36:06AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 11:39:51PM -0800, J.H. wrote: I'll have to look into it - but by and large the round robining tends to work. Specifically as I am writing this the machines are both pushing right around 150mbps,

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-19 Thread Tim Schmielau
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, J.H. wrote: - Gitweb is causing us no end of headache, Is there any mirror for http://git.kernel.org/git/ other than git2.kernel.org? If there is, it would probably help to make it better known. thanks, Tim - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:46 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 04:42:56PM -0800, J.H. wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 00:37 +0200, Matti Aarnio wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > > J.H. wrote: > > > ... > > > > >The root cause boils

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:34 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: > (...) > > Since it's apparent not everyone is aware of what we are doing, I'll > > mention briefly some of the bigger points. > > > > - We have contacted HP to see if we can get

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 04:42:56PM -0800, J.H. wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 00:37 +0200, Matti Aarnio wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > J.H. wrote: > > ... > > > >The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > > > >on the

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: (...) > Since it's apparent not everyone is aware of what we are doing, I'll > mention briefly some of the bigger points. > > - We have contacted HP to see if we can get additional hardware, mind > you though this is a long term solution and

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: (...) Since it's apparent not everyone is aware of what we are doing, I'll mention briefly some of the bigger points. - We have contacted HP to see if we can get additional hardware, mind you though this is a long term solution and will

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 04:42:56PM -0800, J.H. wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 00:37 +0200, Matti Aarnio wrote: On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: J.H. wrote: ... The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:34 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:30:34AM -0800, J.H. wrote: (...) Since it's apparent not everyone is aware of what we are doing, I'll mention briefly some of the bigger points. - We have contacted HP to see if we can get additional

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-18 Thread J.H.
On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 07:46 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 04:42:56PM -0800, J.H. wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 00:37 +0200, Matti Aarnio wrote: On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: J.H. wrote: ... The root cause boils down to with git,

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread J.H.
On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 00:37 +0200, Matti Aarnio wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: > > J.H. wrote: > ... > > >The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > > >on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident > >

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Matti Aarnio
On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 10:23:54AM -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote: > J.H. wrote: ... > >The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > >on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays resident > >in memory, which is forcing more and more to actively go to disk

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Randy Dunlap
J.H. wrote: The problem has been hashed over quite a bit recently, and I would be curious what you would consider the real problem after you see the situation. OK, thanks for the summary. The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines our

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Jeff Garzik
Pavel Machek wrote: Would you accept help from someone else than HP? kernel.org is very important, and hardware is cheap these days... What are the requirements for machine to be interesting to kernel.org? I guess AMD/1GHz, 1GB ram, 100GB disk is not interesting to you quoting

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > The problem has been hashed over quite a bit recently, and I would be > curious what you would consider the real problem after you see the > situation. > > The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring > on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! The problem has been hashed over quite a bit recently, and I would be curious what you would consider the real problem after you see the situation. The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines our basic working set no longer stays

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Jeff Garzik
Pavel Machek wrote: Would you accept help from someone else than HP? kernel.org is very important, and hardware is cheap these days... What are the requirements for machine to be interesting to kernel.org? I guess AMD/1GHz, 1GB ram, 100GB disk is not interesting to you quoting

Re: [KORG] Re: kernel.org lies about latest -mm kernel

2006-12-17 Thread Randy Dunlap
J.H. wrote: The problem has been hashed over quite a bit recently, and I would be curious what you would consider the real problem after you see the situation. OK, thanks for the summary. The root cause boils down to with git, gitweb and the normal mirroring on the frontend machines our

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