Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-05 Thread Paul Fulghum
2.2.5 is using the same UART setup (trigger level of 8) as the current code. There is no obvious difference in the interrupt setup (same devices on the same interrupts). So I have no helpful suggestions :-( -- Paul - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-05 Thread Paul Fulghum
2.2.5 is using the same UART setup (trigger level of 8) as the current code. There is no obvious difference in the interrupt setup (same devices on the same interrupts). So I have no helpful suggestions :-( -- Paul - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: Lee Howard wrote: And in repeat tests it is quite evident that IDE disk activity is, indeed, at least part of the problem. As IDE disk activity increases an increased amount of data coming in on the serial port goes missing. Lee, you mentioned 2.2.x kernels did not

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Paul Fulghum
Lee Howard wrote: And in repeat tests it is quite evident that IDE disk activity is, indeed, at least part of the problem. As IDE disk activity increases an increased amount of data coming in on the serial port goes missing. Lee, you mentioned 2.2.x kernels did not exhibit this problem. Was

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Mark Lord wrote: The "fix" could be to have the serial IRQ handler never unmask interrupts, but that's a bit unsociable to others. The IDE stuff really needs to not do so much during the actual IRQ handler. Ingo's RT patches would probably fix all of this. I did a Fedora 7 installation

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Ray Lee wrote: On 7/27/07, Lee Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file descriptor... for (;;) { read some data from modem process data from modem if (end-of-data detected) break; } Are you suggesting that

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file descriptor... for (;;) { read some data from modem process data from modem if (end-of-data detected) break; } Are you suggesting that

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Ray Lee wrote: On 7/27/07, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Mark Lord wrote: The fix could be to have the serial IRQ handler never unmask interrupts, but that's a bit unsociable to others. The IDE stuff really needs to not do so much during the actual IRQ handler. Ingo's RT patches would probably fix all of this. I did a Fedora 7 installation and

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Paul Fulghum
Lee Howard wrote: And in repeat tests it is quite evident that IDE disk activity is, indeed, at least part of the problem. As IDE disk activity increases an increased amount of data coming in on the serial port goes missing. Lee, you mentioned 2.2.x kernels did not exhibit this problem. Was

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-04 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: Lee Howard wrote: And in repeat tests it is quite evident that IDE disk activity is, indeed, at least part of the problem. As IDE disk activity increases an increased amount of data coming in on the serial port goes missing. Lee, you mentioned 2.2.x kernels did not

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-03 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Alan Cox wrote: > Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing > some work on that but its actually very hard to fix without doing polled > PIO. Hmm, when the drive signals it is ready for a PIO data transfer can't just the interrupt handler

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-03 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Alan Cox wrote: Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing some work on that but its actually very hard to fix without doing polled PIO. Hmm, when the drive signals it is ready for a PIO data transfer can't just the interrupt handler mask

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Alan Cox
> That's what "hdparm -u1" (or -u0) controls. Only some of the time. > Ingo's RT patches would probably fix all of this. The worst case IDE times we've seen for executing a single indivisible un-interruptible I/O cycle with a drive are around 1mS. Thats a hardware limit. Alan - To unsubscribe

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Alan Cox wrote: I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing some work

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Alan Cox
> I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled > on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think > libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing some work on that but

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Mark Lord wrote: I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) That's what "hdparm -u1" (or -u0) controls. But it doesn't matter a whit here.

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Lord
Robert Hancock wrote: Mark Lord wrote: I don't believe the speed of the machine has much to do with it, as IDE PIO is always at pretty much the same speed (or slower) regardless of the CPU speed. Best case is about .120 usec per 16-bit word, but that doesn't often pan out in practice. More

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Mark Lord wrote: I don't believe the speed of the machine has much to do with it, as IDE PIO is always at pretty much the same speed (or slower) regardless of the CPU speed. Best case is about .120 usec per 16-bit word, but that doesn't often pan out in practice. More typical is something

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Lord
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this kind of starvation. That's why Linux 1.x had bottom halves - so that the time

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Lord
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this kind of starvation. That's why Linux 1.x had bottom halves - so that the time

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Mark Lord wrote: I don't believe the speed of the machine has much to do with it, as IDE PIO is always at pretty much the same speed (or slower) regardless of the CPU speed. Best case is about .120 usec per 16-bit word, but that doesn't often pan out in practice. More typical is something

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Alan Cox
I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing some work on that but its

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Lord
Robert Hancock wrote: Mark Lord wrote: I don't believe the speed of the machine has much to do with it, as IDE PIO is always at pretty much the same speed (or slower) regardless of the CPU speed. Best case is about .120 usec per 16-bit word, but that doesn't often pan out in practice. More

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Mark Lord wrote: I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) That's what hdparm -u1 (or -u0) controls. But it doesn't matter a whit here. The

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Alan Cox
That's what hdparm -u1 (or -u0) controls. Only some of the time. Ingo's RT patches would probably fix all of this. The worst case IDE times we've seen for executing a single indivisible un-interruptible I/O cycle with a drive are around 1mS. Thats a hardware limit. Alan - To unsubscribe from

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Hancock
Alan Cox wrote: I think that PIO transfers only have to be done with interrupts disabled on really old, evil controllers (without unmask set). I don't think libata ever disables interrupts during transfers(?) Currently libata PIO is mostly done in the IRQ path. Albert Lee was doing some work

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Russell King
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:45:19AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: > > > Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt > > doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this > > kind of starvation. That's why

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: > Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt > doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this > kind of starvation. That's why Linux 1.x had bottom halves - so that > the time consuming work could be

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Paul Fulghum wrote: > I can't see anyplace in serial_core.c or 8250.c that sets TTY_OVERRUN. Look for UART_LSR_OE in 8250.c -- the serial core accepts any bit that has been defined by the low-level driver and sets TTY_OVERRUN in uart_insert_char(). Maciej - To

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: > >The serial drivers have nothing to do about it -- all they can do is pushing > >data upstream, to the discipline driver. They can provide an interface to > >hardware flow control features though, if implemented by a given UART. > > > > Thank you for

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Robert Hancock wrote: > > The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received > > data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at > > drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there may be a bug > > Really, where? In my

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Robert Hancock wrote: The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there may be a bug Really, where? In my look

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: The serial drivers have nothing to do about it -- all they can do is pushing data upstream, to the discipline driver. They can provide an interface to hardware flow control features though, if implemented by a given UART. Thank you for this

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Paul Fulghum wrote: I can't see anyplace in serial_core.c or 8250.c that sets TTY_OVERRUN. Look for UART_LSR_OE in 8250.c -- the serial core accepts any bit that has been defined by the low-level driver and sets TTY_OVERRUN in uart_insert_char(). Maciej - To

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this kind of starvation. That's why Linux 1.x had bottom halves - so that the time consuming work could be moved

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-30 Thread Russell King
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:45:19AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote: Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this kind of starvation. That's why Linux

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Ray Lee
On 7/27/07, Lee Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, > not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with > a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a > hundred session logs. (I

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred session logs. (I can't reproduce it easily, though,

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Alan Cox
> Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, > not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with > a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a > hundred session logs. (I can't reproduce it easily, though, because of

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Russell King
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 09:51:25PM -0700, Lee Howard wrote: > Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, > not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with > a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a > hundred

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Russell King
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 12:22:57PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: > Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of > >received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief > >look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does;

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Russell King
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 12:22:57PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Russell King
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 09:51:25PM -0700, Lee Howard wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred session

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Alan Cox
Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred session logs. (I can't reproduce it easily, though, because of

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred session logs. (I can't reproduce it easily, though,

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-28 Thread Ray Lee
On 7/27/07, Lee Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curiously, the session at 38400 bps that skipped 858 bytes... coincided, not just in sequence but also in precice timing within the session, with a small but noticeable disk load that I caused by grepping through a hundred session logs. (I can't

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: So this seems to be a latency issue reading the receive FIFO in the ISR. The current rx FIFO trigger level should be 8 bytes (UART_FCR_R_TRIG_10) which gives the ISR 694usec to get the data at 115200bps. IIRC, in 2.2.X kernels this defaulted to 4 bytes (TRIG_01) which gave

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:48 -0700, Lee Howard wrote: > Here's the output: > > type: 4 > line: 1 > line: 760 > irq: 3 >flags: 1358954688 > xmit_fifo_size: 16 > custom_divisor: 0 >baud_base: 115200 OK, the FIFO should be

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: Tilman Schmidt wrote: Could this be related? http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/18/245 Quote: "I've recently found (using 2.6.21.4) that configuring a serial ports (ST16654) which use the 8250 driver using setserial results in the UART's FIFOs being disabled (unless you specify

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Tilman Schmidt wrote: Lee Howard schrieb: So, does this explain why I wouldn't have a problem at 115200 bps with kernel 2.2.5 but why I do with 2.6.5 and 2.6.18? Both hardware and software flow control work fine with 2.2.5 (meaning I don't see any error message and I don't have any data

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
Tilman Schmidt wrote: Could this be related? http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/18/245 Quote: "I've recently found (using 2.6.21.4) that configuring a serial ports (ST16654) which use the 8250 driver using setserial results in the UART's FIFOs being disabled (unless you specify autoconfig)." That

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
OK, I see where TTY_OVERRUN is set: include/linux/serial_core.h:uart_insert_char() -- Paul Fulghum Microgate Systems, Ltd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 12:22 -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: > In this situation, though, it appears it's not the TTY buffers that are > filling but the UART's own buffer. I would think this must be caused by > some kind of interrupt latency that results in not draining the FIFO in > time. You

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 12:22 -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: > Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of > > received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief > > look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Robert Hancock
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file descriptor... for (;;) { read some data from modem process data from modem if (end-of-data detected) break; } Are you suggesting that

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there may be a bug somewhere though). So could e.g. the SLIP and PPP

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: As the flow control is driven by software on most 16x50 chips (there are a couple of exceptions) if we fail to empty the fifo fast enough then any flow control will be asserted too late to save the day. If you stop the application and do the following cat

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: > Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file > descriptor... > > for (;;) { > read some data from modem > process data from modem > if (end-of-data detected) break; > } > > Are you suggesting that the

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
> I had previously thought that the control of RTS was something that the > serial/tty driver was supposed to do independently based on the buffer > fill. Was I wrong? If the kernel is asked to do CRTSCTS then the kernel handles the flow control. It uses it when the internal buffers are nearly

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: If the application were to use TIOCM_RTS how would it know when to apply it or not? Is there some approach that the application could take to manage flow control on the serial port? What about software flow control? Does

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Tilman Schmidt
Lee Howard schrieb: > > So, does this explain why I wouldn't have a problem at 115200 bps with > kernel 2.2.5 but why I do with 2.6.5 and 2.6.18? Both hardware and > software flow control work fine with 2.2.5 (meaning I don't see any > error message and I don't have any data corruption), but

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
> -parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread clocal crtscts Ok so crtscts is set, but you have clocal set too. That shouldn't matter > Using software flow control this is what stty tells me about the port > set up done by the application: This also looks fine > They seem correct to me, but I am

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: > If the application were to use TIOCM_RTS how would it know when to apply it or > not? Is there some approach that the application could take to manage flow > control on the serial port? What about software flow control? Does the Well, an application

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: The manufacturer is using a scope to look for RTS and they're not seeing it, either. I just use my eyes to look at the LED, but I can see the CTS, DTR, DCD, RD, and TD lights blink, flicker, or dim... (and TD, RD, and CTS tend to go on and off rather quickly). And you

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: The manufacturer is using a scope to look for RTS and they're not seeing it, either. I just use my eyes to look at the LED, but I can see the CTS, DTR, DCD, RD, and TD lights blink, flicker, or dim... (and TD, RD, and CTS tend to go on and off rather quickly). And you

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
-parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread clocal crtscts Ok so crtscts is set, but you have clocal set too. That shouldn't matter Using software flow control this is what stty tells me about the port set up done by the application: This also looks fine They seem correct to me, but I am

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: If the application were to use TIOCM_RTS how would it know when to apply it or not? Is there some approach that the application could take to manage flow control on the serial port? What about software flow control? Does the Well, an application

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Tilman Schmidt
Lee Howard schrieb: So, does this explain why I wouldn't have a problem at 115200 bps with kernel 2.2.5 but why I do with 2.6.5 and 2.6.18? Both hardware and software flow control work fine with 2.2.5 (meaning I don't see any error message and I don't have any data corruption), but

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: If the application were to use TIOCM_RTS how would it know when to apply it or not? Is there some approach that the application could take to manage flow control on the serial port? What about software flow control? Does

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
I had previously thought that the control of RTS was something that the serial/tty driver was supposed to do independently based on the buffer fill. Was I wrong? If the kernel is asked to do CRTSCTS then the kernel handles the flow control. It uses it when the internal buffers are nearly

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file descriptor... for (;;) { read some data from modem process data from modem if (end-of-data detected) break; } Are you suggesting that the application

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Robert Hancock
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Lee Howard wrote: Okay, so let's say we've got a loop around a blocking read on the modem file descriptor... for (;;) { read some data from modem process data from modem if (end-of-data detected) break; } Are you suggesting that

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: As the flow control is driven by software on most 16x50 chips (there are a couple of exceptions) if we fail to empty the fifo fast enough then any flow control will be asserted too late to save the day. If you stop the application and do the following cat

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there may be a bug somewhere though). So could e.g. the SLIP and PPP

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 12:22 -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: The TTY line discipline driver could do that based on the amount of received data present in its buffer. And it should if asked to (a brief look at drivers/char/n_tty.c reveals it does; obviously there may

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 12:22 -0600, Robert Hancock wrote: In this situation, though, it appears it's not the TTY buffers that are filling but the UART's own buffer. I would think this must be caused by some kind of interrupt latency that results in not draining the FIFO in time. You are

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
Tilman Schmidt wrote: Could this be related? http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/18/245 Quote: I've recently found (using 2.6.21.4) that configuring a serial ports (ST16654) which use the 8250 driver using setserial results in the UART's FIFOs being disabled (unless you specify autoconfig). That

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
OK, I see where TTY_OVERRUN is set: include/linux/serial_core.h:uart_insert_char() -- Paul Fulghum Microgate Systems, Ltd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Tilman Schmidt wrote: Lee Howard schrieb: So, does this explain why I wouldn't have a problem at 115200 bps with kernel 2.2.5 but why I do with 2.6.5 and 2.6.18? Both hardware and software flow control work fine with 2.2.5 (meaning I don't see any error message and I don't have any data

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: Tilman Schmidt wrote: Could this be related? http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/7/18/245 Quote: I've recently found (using 2.6.21.4) that configuring a serial ports (ST16654) which use the 8250 driver using setserial results in the UART's FIFOs being disabled (unless you specify

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Paul Fulghum
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:48 -0700, Lee Howard wrote: Here's the output: type: 4 line: 1 line: 760 irq: 3 flags: 1358954688 xmit_fifo_size: 16 custom_divisor: 0 baud_base: 115200 OK, the FIFO should be enabled. What

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-27 Thread Lee Howard
Paul Fulghum wrote: So this seems to be a latency issue reading the receive FIFO in the ISR. The current rx FIFO trigger level should be 8 bytes (UART_FCR_R_TRIG_10) which gives the ISR 694usec to get the data at 115200bps. IIRC, in 2.2.X kernels this defaulted to 4 bytes (TRIG_01) which gave

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A It's a Shuttle HOT-661 motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro Plus mainboard chipset). Both FreeBSD and Linux identify the serial

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
> The manufacturer is using a scope to look for RTS and they're not seeing > it, either. I just use my eyes to look at the LED, but I can see the > CTS, DTR, DCD, RD, and TD lights blink, flicker, or dim... (and TD, RD, > and CTS tend to go on and off rather quickly). And you have 1.

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, This is evidenced in hardware flow control by a little LED labeled "RTS" that is on the external modem. This LED lights up when pin 7 of the DB9 serial connection is given +12Vdc current (signalling "RTS" is on - that the host can accept data). The LED

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
> Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enabled > ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > It's a Shuttle HOT-661 motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro Plus mainboard > chipset). Both FreeBSD and Linux identify the serial chipset

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Robert Hancock wrote: Lee Howard wrote: Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, > This is evidenced in hardware flow control by a little LED labeled "RTS" > that is on the external modem. This LED lights up when pin 7 of the DB9 > serial connection is given +12Vdc current (signalling "RTS" is on - that > the host can accept data). The LED goes dark when the

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Hancock
Lee Howard wrote: Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64 kilobytes of data in bursts.)

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Hancock
Lee Howard wrote: Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64 kilobytes of data in bursts.)

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
The manufacturer is using a scope to look for RTS and they're not seeing it, either. I just use my eyes to look at the LED, but I can see the CTS, DTR, DCD, RD, and TD lights blink, flicker, or dim... (and TD, RD, and CTS tend to go on and off rather quickly). And you have 1. The

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, This is evidenced in hardware flow control by a little LED labeled RTS that is on the external modem. This LED lights up when pin 7 of the DB9 serial connection is given +12Vdc current (signalling RTS is on - that the host can accept data). The LED goes

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Robert Hancock wrote: Lee Howard wrote: Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A It's a Shuttle HOT-661 motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro Plus mainboard chipset). Both FreeBSD and Linux identify the serial chipset type as

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, This is evidenced in hardware flow control by a little LED labeled RTS that is on the external modem. This LED lights up when pin 7 of the DB9 serial connection is given +12Vdc current (signalling RTS is on - that the host can accept data). The LED goes dark when the current is

Re: serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-26 Thread Lee Howard
Alan Cox wrote: Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A It's a Shuttle HOT-661 motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro Plus mainboard chipset). Both FreeBSD and Linux identify the serial

serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-25 Thread Lee Howard
Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64 kilobytes of data in bursts.) When the DCE-DTE

serial flow control appears broken

2007-07-25 Thread Lee Howard
Hello. I have fax modems that will, in their proper behavior with certain features, send up to 64 kilobytes of data to the host DTE all at once. (So, the fax modem handles an incoming fax and periodically will send between 256 bytes and 64 kilobytes of data in bursts.) When the DCE-DTE

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