Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-30 Thread Allen Akin
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 01:26:53PM -0400, David Reveman wrote: | On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 12:03 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote: | > In general, the whole concept of programmable graphics hardware is | > not addressed in APIs like xlib and Cairo. This is a very important | > point. A major new GPU feature, pro

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Allen Akin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:48:11PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: | Certainly replicating OpenGL 2.0's programmability through Render makes | no sense at all to me (or most others, I believe/hope). If you want to | use full use of the GPU, I'm happy to say you should be using OpenGL. When expressed tha

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Allen Akin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 11:29:30AM -0700, Keith Packard wrote: | The real goal is to provide a good programming environment for 2D | applications, not to push some particular low-level graphics library. I think that's a reasonable goal. My red flag goes up at the point where the 2D programming en

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Allen Akin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 02:06:54PM -0700, Keith Packard wrote: | On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 13:06 -0700, Allen Akin wrote: | > ... | | Right, the goal is to have only one driver for the hardware, whether an | X server for simple 2D only environments or a GL driver for 2D/3D | environments. ...

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Allen Akin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:11:12PM -0700, Ian Romanick wrote: | Allen Akin wrote: | > Jon's right about this: If you can accelerate a given simple function | > (blending, say) for a 2D driver, you can accelerate that same function | > in a Mesa driver for a comparable amount

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-09-01 Thread Allen Akin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:59:23PM -0700, Keith Packard wrote: | | Yeah, two systems, but (I hope) only one used for each card. So far, I'm | not sure of the value of attempting to provide a mostly-software GL | implementation in place of existing X drivers. For the short term it's valuable for t