Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Simon Kenyon
Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation to your

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Hans Verkuil
Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation to your

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread wk
Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No YES. Optional question: Why: I assume that the main goal should be development of linux v4l/dvb drivers to be included in *new* kernel versions. These dont need compat code. But beside of the main

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Jean-Francois Moine
Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No Yes. Optional question: Why: Most distros offer the lastest kernels. I had requests for old kernels, but these ones were very old (2.6.10!). -- Ken ar c'hentaƱ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav!

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Hans Werner
Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No YES (but I would go even further) Optional question: Why: The aim should be to bring improvements to the released Linux kernel. The *only* point relevant for both development and testing is

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Lars Hanisch
Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No Yes. Why: I'm a v4l-user, I use my VDR for a couple of years now. These were the steps I took, before I assembled my box: - I have analog cable, so what hardware does exist, that is capable to record

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-25 Thread Mike Isely
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread John Pilkington
Jean Delvare wrote: * Enterprise-class distributions (RHEL, SLED) are not the right target for the v4l-dvb repository, so we don't care which kernels these are running. I think you should be aware that the mythtv and ATrpms communities include a significant number of people who have

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Hans Verkuil
Please reply to this poll if you haven't done so yet. I only count clear yes/no answers, so if you replied earlier to this in order to discuss a point then I haven't counted that. Currently it's 16 yes and 2 no votes, but I'd really like to see some more input. I want to post the final results

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Rudy Zijlstra
On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 11:15 +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Simon Kenyon
John Pilkington wrote: Jean Delvare wrote: * Enterprise-class distributions (RHEL, SLED) are not the right target for the v4l-dvb repository, so we don't care which kernels these are running. I think you should be aware that the mythtv and ATrpms communities include a significant

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Michael Krufky
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No NO. Optional question: Why: Dropping support for older kernels means dropping support for MOST testers. Sure, it's an

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Jonathan Johnson
Hello all, My vote is YES, why haven't we done this already?? My understanding is that we are just drop old kernel support and retaining the vast majority of the drivers. If anyone tallied the total number CVE listed vulernabilites and other problems fixed since then they would probably be

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread hermann pitton
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 24.02.2009, 16:02 -0500 schrieb Michael Krufky: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No NO. this is an unwanted reply to Hans' polling, but I

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-24 Thread Ant
Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation to your

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread VDR User
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? _: Yes _: No Yes. Optional question: Why: The reasons already stated, those resources could be better used doing other things. Aside of that, of

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:15:01 +0100 Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Jean Delvare
Hi Hans, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation to your standpoint. It doesn't

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Trent Piepho
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Jean Delvare wrote: There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Douglas Schilling Landgraf
Hello Hans, On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:15:01 +0100 Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread David Ellingsworth
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:26:57 -0300 Mauro Carvalho Chehab mche...@infradead.org wrote: I'm right now working on another way of allowing backport that will better scale, and will allow developers to use -git, without losing backport for users. I have an incomplete skeleton for the backport

Question regarding detail in dropping support for kernels 2.6.22 (related to Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22)

2009-02-23 Thread Tobias Stoeber
Hello Hans, Hans Verkuil schrieb: We still need to support kernels from 2.6.22 onwards. Although I think the minimum supported kernel is something that needs a regular sanity check, right now there are no technical reasons that I am aware of to go to something newer than 2.6.22. Whether we

Re: Question regarding detail in dropping support for kernels 2.6.22 (related to Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22)

2009-02-23 Thread Hans Verkuil
Hello Hans, Hans Verkuil schrieb: We still need to support kernels from 2.6.22 onwards. Although I think the minimum supported kernel is something that needs a regular sanity check, right now there are no technical reasons that I am aware of to go to something newer than 2.6.22. Whether

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Trent Piepho
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, David Ellingsworth wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Optional question: Why can't we drop support for all but the latest kernel? Why: As others have already pointed out, it is a waste of time for developers who

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-23 Thread Hans Verkuil
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 06:04:48 Trent Piepho wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, David Ellingsworth wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl wrote: Optional question: Why can't we drop support for all but the latest kernel? Why: As others have

POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread Hans Verkuil
Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short explanation to your standpoint. It doesn't matter

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread CityK
Hans Verkuil wrote: Should we drop support for kernels 2.6.22 in our v4l-dvb repository? Yes Optional question: Why: Its causing skilled developers to waste time that would be better served in other areas. Because of that, these skilled volunteers are becoming frustrated and

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread kilgota
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread Andy Walls
On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 14:12 -0500, CityK wrote: The V4L-DVB is lacking in strategic direction. Yesterday was the time to adopt one; so lets pick up one today! CityK, I see you've been reading (or channeling) my blathering: http://www.linuxtv.org/irc/v4l/index.php?date=2009-02-20 ([19:42]

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread hermann pitton
Am Sonntag, den 22.02.2009, 11:15 +0100 schrieb Hans Verkuil: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread sonof...@iinet.net.au
Yes... On Mon Feb 23 12:13 , hermann pitton sent: Am Sonntag, den 22.02.2009, 11:15 +0100 schrieb Hans Verkuil: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or

Re: [Bulk] Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread CityK
Andy Walls wrote: On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 14:12 -0500, CityK wrote: The V4L-DVB is lacking in strategic direction. Yesterday was the time to adopt one; so lets pick up one today! CityK, I see you've been reading (or channeling) my blathering:

Re: POLL: for/against dropping support for kernels 2.6.22

2009-02-22 Thread Robert Golding
2009/2/22 Hans Verkuil hverk...@xs4all.nl: Hi all, There are lot's of discussions, but it can be hard sometimes to actually determine someone's opinion. So here is a quick poll, please reply either to the list or directly to me with your yes/no answer and (optional but welcome) a short