Re: Implementing low level timeouts within MD

2007-10-28 Thread Alberto Alonso
On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 19:55 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 16:46 -0500, Alberto Alonso wrote: Regardless of the fact that it is not MD's fault, it does make software raid an invalid choice when combined with those drivers. A single disk failure within a RAID5 array

Re: Raid-10 mount at startup always has problem

2007-10-28 Thread Luca Berra
On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:47:30PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 09:50 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:33PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 11:15 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 02:40:06AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote:

Re: Time to deprecate old RAID formats?

2007-10-28 Thread Luca Berra
On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:09:03PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 10:00 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 02:52:59PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 11:54 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 09:11:57AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote:

Re: Time to deprecate old RAID formats?

2007-10-28 Thread Luca Berra
On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 08:26:00PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 00:30 +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 02:52:59PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: In fact, no you can't. I know, because I've created a device that had both but wasn't a raid device. And it's

Re: Time to deprecate old RAID formats?

2007-10-28 Thread Doug Ledford
On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 15:13 +0100, Luca Berra wrote: On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 08:26:00PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 00:30 +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 02:52:59PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: In fact, no you can't. I know, because I've created a

Re: Raid-10 mount at startup always has problem

2007-10-28 Thread Doug Ledford
On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 14:37 +0100, Luca Berra wrote: On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:47:30PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Most of the time it does. But those times where it can fail, the failure is due to not taking the precautions necessary to prevent it: aka labeling disk usage via some sort of

Re: Raid-10 mount at startup always has problem

2007-10-28 Thread Bill Davidsen
Doug Ledford wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 11:15 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 02:40:06AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: The partition table is the single, (mostly) universally recognized arbiter of what possible data might be on the disk. Having a partition table may

Re: Time to deprecate old RAID formats?

2007-10-28 Thread Bill Davidsen
Doug Ledford wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 14:41 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Actually, after doing some research, here's what I've found: I should note that both the lvm code and raid code are simplistic at the moment. For example, the raid5 mapping only supports the default raid5

Re: Raid-10 mount at startup always has problem

2007-10-28 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Doug Ledford wrote: Anyway, I happen to *like* the idea of using full disk devices, but the reality is that the md subsystem doesn't have exclusive ownership of the disks at all times, and without that it really needs to stake a claim on the space instead of leaving things to chance IMO. I've