Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Chance Reschke
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > | Hmm. I use SCSI on high-performance systems, but if IDE is so bad, why > | does NASA use IDE? ;) > > as far as I know, beowulf tends to use the network more than the disk, so it > isn't necessary to have an extremely fast disk subsystem. RAM, CP

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Steve Cooper
> >On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Tom wrote: > I disagree. SCSI advantages: > >- Higher drive quality. EIDE drives are built cheap, just because that is >what the market buys. Compare the listed MTBF for a Maxtor Diamond MAX to >the list MTBF for a Seagate Barracuda 4LP/XL. In fact, it doesn't seem >th

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Steve Cooper
> >On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jeremy Wohl wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:43:31PM -0800, Aaron D. Turner wrote: >> > Performance is going to *suck* with 5 IDE disks, assuming of course you >> > can actually get 3 IDE controllers to work in the same box. >> >> OK, what's the bottleneck here? The

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Morten Olsen
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:43:31PM -0800, Aaron D. Turner wrote: >> Performance is going to *suck* with 5 IDE disks, assuming of course you >> can actually get 3 IDE controllers to work in the same box. >OK, what's the bottleneck here? The track-to-track seeks, bandwidth, >cpu use seem to be rea

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Jeremy Wohl
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 07:04:41PM -0800, Tom wrote: > Now if Bonnie was an application that accomplished meaningful work, this > could be useful. Since it doesn't, it just shows the speed of single > read/write stream. Right, well, my application is similar. Rare, large sequential writes. Sl

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Steve Cooper
>Linux software RAID5 w/5 EIDE UMDA disks. Crazy? > I am currently developing the Linux driver support for RAIDZONE technology. RAIDZONE is a complete RAID solution that ultilizes Ultra ATA (a.k.a. EIDE UDMA) disk drives. Using RAIDZONE it is possible to build Linux servers with a significant n

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Chris Mauritz
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jan 19 10:52:47 1999 > > | Hmm. I use SCSI on high-performance systems, but if IDE is so bad, why > | does NASA use IDE? ;) > > as far as I know, beowulf tends to use the network more than the disk, so it > isn't necessary to have an extremely fast disk subsystem.

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Theo Van Dinter
| Hmm. I use SCSI on high-performance systems, but if IDE is so bad, why | does NASA use IDE? ;) as far as I know, beowulf tends to use the network more than the disk, so it isn't necessary to have an extremely fast disk subsystem. RAM, CPU, and network speeds are much more important. -- R

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-19 Thread Osma Ahvenlampi
Hmm. I use SCSI on high-performance systems, but if IDE is so bad, why does NASA use IDE? ;) http://beowulf.gsfc.nasa.gov/bds/bds.html> -- I didn't know it was impossible when I did it. Osma Ahvenlampi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread reschke
> 11GB DiamondMAX? That is probably the 2880 seris...a 5400rpm drive. You're right, this is a 5,400 rpm drive - even more impressive. > Now if Bonnie was an application that accomplished meaningful work, this > could be useful. Since it doesn't, it just shows the speed of single > read/wri

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Dave J. Andruczyk
> On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:43:31PM -0800, Aaron D. Turner wrote: > > Performance is going to *suck* with 5 IDE disks, assuming of course you > > can actually get 3 IDE controllers to work in the same box. > > OK, what's the bottleneck here? The track-to-track seeks, bandwidth, > cpu use seem

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Tom
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, reschke wrote: > Check out: > > http://beowulf.gsfc.nasa.gov/bds/disks.html > > especially the bit at the bottom of the page which shows almost perfect > scaling across three IDE disks/channels. Using cheap IDE drives in DMA > mode completely avoids the CPU overhead pena

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Brian Leeper
I've done a few mirrors with EIDE UDMA drives. It seems to be MUCH faster to resync an array when the drives are on different channels. Two 6 gig drives were going to take 20 minutes to resync when on the same channel, but only 12 minutes when on different channels. Brian On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, J

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread reschke
> > I assume the problem is getting io requests to occur simultaneously. My > > surfing tells me most controllers provides poor same-channel access, > > yet independent channels. So three controllers, one disk per channel > > would provide concurrent io's, if the linux eide driver makes use of >

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Tom
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jeremy Wohl wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:43:31PM -0800, Aaron D. Turner wrote: > > Performance is going to *suck* with 5 IDE disks, assuming of course you > > can actually get 3 IDE controllers to work in the same box. > > OK, what's the bottleneck here? The track-t

Re: eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Aaron D. Turner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Performance is going to *suck* with 5 IDE disks, assuming of course you can actually get 3 IDE controllers to work in the same box. I guess the question is what's more important? 1) Saving a few bucks 2) Keeping your hair :-) - -- Aaron Turner

eide raid5?

1999-01-18 Thread Jeremy Wohl
Linux software RAID5 w/5 EIDE UMDA disks. Crazy? I assume the problem is getting io requests to occur simultaneously. My surfing tells me most controllers provides poor same-channel access, yet independent channels. So three controllers, one disk per channel would provide concurrent io's, if t