On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Paul Rolland wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:15:22 +0200
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
Let's step back a moment and con
Hello Stefan,
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:25:39 +0200
Stefan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Rolland wrote:
> > getting too much of "No help text available"
> > usually results in people no more reading the help text.
>
> I assert that a Kconfig prompt (a visible Kconfig variable) _without_
Hello,
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:15:22 +0200
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> > Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > >> Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scal
Paul Rolland wrote:
> getting too much of "No help text available"
> usually results in people no more reading the help text.
I assert that a Kconfig prompt (a visible Kconfig variable) _without_
help text is a bug.
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Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:37:37PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
>> In
>> practice, this takes too much time, hence you take an existing .config
>> (yours or somebody else's) and go from there.
>
> Kconfig let's you start with the defconfig when doing "make menuconfig"
> witho
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:37:37PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> >> The patch which is discussed here is specifically targeted towards users
> >> who are convinced that they can migrate to different drivers wi
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
>> The patch which is discussed here is specifically targeted towards users
>> who are convinced that they can migrate to different drivers without
>> reading Kconfig help texts.
>
> Nothing about the patch is onl
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >> Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the
> >> problem at hand.
> >>
> >> The vast majority of users are consume
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> Let's step back a moment and consider the actual scale and impact of the
>> problem at hand.
>>
>> The vast majority of users are consumers of pre-compiled kernels, built by
>> People With Clue(tm), who figured t
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 05:11:44PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
>>> I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
>>> There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
>> ... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of co
Andi Kleen wrote on 09-09-07 23:22:
When it costs 1 people half an hour to learn and correct this it
wasted 5000 hours of previous livetime.
^^ ^
Poor me. Here I am -- still waiting for my 15 minutes of fame in /this/ life...
;-)
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On 09/10/2007 08:38 AM, Stefan Richter wrote:
Nevertheless we should try to arrange the menus in a way that makes
sense to as many people as possible. The difficulty is, different
environments call for different menu layouts, as your previous example
of SATA DVD-only boxes demonstrates.
Howeve
James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 23:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> When it costs 1 people half an hour to learn and correct this it
>> wasted 5000 hours of previous livetime.
>>
>> Besides there is no good reason to have ever learned this imho.
>
> The process of becoming an exp
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 23:22 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL
> > extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds
>
> Disk support over SCSI/SATA is hardly an "optional extra". It's more the 99+%
> case.
Usin
> The current setup expresses the dependencies as they exist -- OPTIONAL
> extras, and that is a problem once a year or so, when someone builds
Disk support over SCSI/SATA is hardly an "optional extra". It's more the 99+%
case.
> their own kernel but must learn this fact anew.
When it costs 10
Andi Kleen wrote:
I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of code.
In fact you definitely want to have SATA compiled in in case you n
> I can see where you're coming from, but logically, this is wrong.
> There's a huge slew of enterprise machines that only have DVD on SATA.
... and enterprise systems don't really care about a few KB more of code.
In fact you definitely want to have SATA compiled in in case you need
to recover th
On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 18:07 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> Folkert van Heusden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Maybe it is a nice enhancement for make menuconfig to more explicitly
> > give a pop-up or so when someone selects for example a sata controller
> > while no 'scsi-disk' suppor
Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:30:06PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
>> Andi Kleen wrote:
>>> when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
>>> obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
>> Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
>> Tough.
>
>
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:30:06PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
> > obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
>
> Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
> Tough.
The individual driver de
Andi Kleen wrote:
> when you've been using CONFIG_IDE before it is not completely
> obvious you need BLK_SD for your hard disk.
Switching to different drivers without reading the help text?
Tough.
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> I'd say that someone needs to use a vendor kernel, or at least
> begin with a vendor .config file...
Vendor kernels tend to compile forever and require initrds. For
just testing a kernel quickly compiling only a few drivers in
is much more convenient.
Also when you've been using CONFIG_IDE bef
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 09:50:08AM -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On 08 Sep 2007 18:07:00 +0200 Andi Kleen wrote:
> > This has also bitten me one or two times. A reasonable way would
> > be to just select SD automatically for !EMBEDDED
>
> I'd say that someone needs to use a vendor kernel, or at lea
On 08 Sep 2007 18:07:00 +0200 Andi Kleen wrote:
> Folkert van Heusden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Maybe it is a nice enhancement for make menuconfig to more explicitly
> > give a pop-up or so when someone selects for example a sata controller
> > while no 'scsi-disk' support wa
Folkert van Heusden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Maybe it is a nice enhancement for make menuconfig to more explicitly
> give a pop-up or so when someone selects for example a sata controller
> while no 'scsi-disk' support was selected?
This has also bitten me one or two times. A reason
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