Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-26 Thread Tuukka Toivonen
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Oliver Neukum wrote: Am Donnerstag, 26. August 2004 11:22 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen: Besides, format conversions _are not allowed_ in the kernel. They belong into userspace. Well, there's no need to be dogmatic about it. In a basic sense any driver is performing a format conversi

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-26 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Donnerstag, 26. August 2004 11:22 schrieb Tuukka Toivonen: > Besides, format conversions _are not allowed_ in the kernel. They belong > into userspace. Well, there's no need to be dogmatic about it. In a basic sense any driver is performing a format conversion. > Nemosoft: you should not have

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-26 Thread Tuukka Toivonen
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Simon Oosthoek wrote: I have one of those philips cams (bought it because I saw pwc in the kernel source), but I found out that without pwcx is was next to useless. I haven't Could you elaborate why it is next to useless? I think 95% of Linux web camera drivers don't support a

[linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-26 Thread syrius . ml
Hi there, I'm very sad to read about that story... I don't know all of the background, I first read http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ then went to lkml to read a bit more about it. I just don't understand why Nemosoft did remove all his work (sources, doc, and stuff). I don't like to be taken host

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-26 Thread Greg KH
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Nemosoft Unv. wrote: > Hello, > > On Wednesday 25 August 2004 01:04, Greg KH wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 12:58:24AM +0200, Nemosoft Unv. wrote: > > If you want to send me a patch to tell me to rip the whole driver out, > > fine I will, no problems,

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-25 Thread Nemosoft Unv.
Hello, On Wednesday 25 August 2004 01:04, Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 12:58:24AM +0200, Nemosoft Unv. wrote: > If you want to send me a patch to tell me to rip the whole driver out, > fine I will, no problems, I completly understand. I don't think you do. > But realize that anyone c

[linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-25 Thread Simon Oosthoek
Nemosoft Unv. wrote: Actually, I've got a little surprise for you. The NDA I signed with Philips has already expired a year ago. Yet, I didn't just throw the decompressor code on the Internet. First, there could still be legal remedies since the cams are still in production to this very day. Sec

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-25 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Mittwoch, 25. August 2004 05:04 schrieb Phil Dibowitz: > Hmmm, I saw that comment by Linus, and I am obviously by no means as > emersed in kernel development as ... well, either of you ... but I took > Linus' comment to mean more that the kernel will not be changed to work > around odd behavi

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-24 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 07:35:16AM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: > > Bummer. This is rubbish. And I am sure that this is not the intention of > Linus comments. IF the module would be NON functional without the closed > plugin, then yes, rip it out. But it is useable, and this hook *can* be > used

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-24 Thread Norbert Preining
On Die, 24 Aug 2004, Greg KH wrote: > > * you are going to accept that there is a driver in the Linux kernel that > > has a hook that _may_ be used to load a binary-only decompressor part into > > the kernel, at the user's disgression. Maybe, one day, that part will be > > open source too but I

Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-24 Thread Phil Dibowitz
Greg wrote: Actually, in thinking about this even more, I just realized that I have to rip this hook out. I say this because we are allowing a change to the kernel that is needed _only_ for a closed source module. See Linus's comments about "if a change is needed to be made to the kernel in order

[linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-24 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 12:58:24AM +0200, Nemosoft Unv. wrote: > Anyway > > I've just about had it with the increasing > "we-don't-want-binary-stuff-in-Linux" attitude lately. If you rip out this > hook for PWC (pwc_register_decompressor), which would make it impossible to > load a decompre

[linux-usb-devel] Re: kernel 2.6.8 pwc patches and counterpatches

2004-08-24 Thread Nemosoft Unv.
Hello, On Tuesday 24 August 2004 00:10, you wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:05:36AM -0700, Fr?d?ric Detienne wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 21:38, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > Fr?d?ric Detienne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I suppose this is not the only place where we > > > > prepare AP