Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:37, Dale Anderson wrote: > Exactly atm gentoo is a huge mess, I would not put it quite as strongly as that, but do agree that sometimes things do not go quite as smoothly as they used to when drobbins was at the helm. Sometimes it's not a bad idea to have a difficult perfec

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Dale Anderson
Exactly atm gentoo is a huge mess, I used to be an avid fan as a few list members can probably recall , if your using debian might as well stick with it , it does the job and nicely once you get to know it , all distros (yes including SuSe ) have there flaws (alot (tm) in many cases), Debian im

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
if you want windows terminals, take a look at pxes(.sf.net) universal thin client gives you choices of doing all sorts of terminal stuff, xterminal, rdp, ica/citrix, vnc, ltsp and some other stuff i have never heard of. i have had it running (xterminal only, i don't have a citrix/windows terminal

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Sascha Beaumont
O etherboot install sounds much much nicer. Half the machines (the ones with onboard network) tell me to press F12 to boot from network, that'll make install easier/faster. I'll probably do some kind of etherboot ghost restore setup thing once I get the first few done - should save a

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
sorry this is my third response to sasha, i should have been more complete the first time. 1. you can actually download the f10 setup and put it on a floppy. the compaq/hp has been redone so many times that it may be hard to find. 2. once you boot from the ipcop boot floppy you are not restricted

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Sascha Beaumont
Thanks to all who responded - about 30secs after posting I decided to look actually on the CD and saw the floppy images *oops*. Downloading rc3 now On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:44:11 +1200, Phill Coxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Monster. :) > > What are the specs on these things? > > I cou

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
oh and they are up to release candidate 3 now, go past beta 9 and get rc3. heres the announcement from 3 sept, you only need the iso file "Hello again, It must be something in the air, because more people actually start testing RC releases rather than Beta's. And so, some more problems have been

Re: cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:38:11 +1200 Sascha Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > > I've just laid my hands on a rather large number of Deskpro 2000's and > a few 4000's. Unfortunately the Compaq F10 setup utility which resides > on the hard drive has been erased on all the ones I've

cdrom bootdisk - help!

2004-09-13 Thread Sascha Beaumont
Hey guys, I've just laid my hands on a rather large number of Deskpro 2000's and a few 4000's. Unfortunately the Compaq F10 setup utility which resides on the hard drive has been erased on all the ones I've checked so far, and the onboard "bios" does a simple fallback to boot from the floppy, or

RE: Interesting Auction

2004-09-13 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I see that the current top bidder is bgates. LOL Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Paul Swafford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 3:32 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Interesting Auction http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Other/aucti

Interesting Auction

2004-09-13 Thread Paul Swafford
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Other/auction-15529388.htm for anyone in the Linux business .. worth considering BTW NO I'm not the seller or affiliated in anyway nor will I be bidding - thanx Dr Cullen! Cheers Paul -- (E-CAF, 301 Montreal St, Christchurch, NZ) (ph/fax ++64 3 3656 480 : www.e-

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Sascha Beaumont
However what Debian calls "stable" is a lot more stable and bug free than what other distributions may call stable. There are certain criteria for something being moved into testing and stable, certain types of bugs must not exist. First all the dependencies of a package must fit the criteria befor

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-09-14T14:08:49+1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > Correct again but have you checked the versions of the packages I > mentioned? Debian stable and testing do not have versions as recent > as Gentoo "stable". Read my previous messages. Comparing version numbers across distributions

RE: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Right. But that's no easier than, for example, Debian: $ apt-get update $ apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) ...or any other distribution with an online updates mechanism. -- Matthew Gregan |/ [Robert Fisher] Correct again but have you checked the versions of the pa

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-09-14T13:52:48+1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > OK you are probably correct but the point I was trying to make was > that with a couple of commands... > emerge rsync && emerge -up world > then > emerge -uU world Right. But that's no easier than, for example, Debian: $ apt-get up

Re: distro wars, was: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
the more i see these discussions about distros and window managers and mta's and and email clients and almost anything else, the more i know that the real point is that we have choice, and thats a good thing! On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:52:48 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

RE: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
OK you are probably correct but the point I was trying to make was that with a couple of commands... emerge rsync && emerge -up world then emerge -uU world .I have... KDE 3.3 Gimp 2.0.4 K3b 0.11.12-r1 Mozilla 1.7.2-r1 Gift 0.11.6-r1 Apollon 0.9.3 Samba 3.0.7 Apache 2.0.50-r1 Cups 1.1.20 Gnuc

Re: Can't mount FAT

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:45:27 +1200 Alasdair Tennant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:56:21 +1200 > Douglas Royds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 usb > > Shouldn't that be > > $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usb also depends what the c

Re: Can't mount FAT

2004-09-13 Thread Alasdair Tennant
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:56:21 +1200 Douglas Royds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 usb Shouldn't that be $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usb Also check your /etc/fstab & remove any reference to /usb till you're sure that you're getting a mount, then you can pu

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-09-14T10:28:48+1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > I challenge any non Gentoo user to match the stable versions of > packages we Gentoo users have. It's a pointless challenge. The version numbers of a package are fairly meaningless when comparing across distributions. Why? Because

RE: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Gentoo updating / recompiling may take time on the computer but with decent hardware it does not take users time. I can even upgrade KDE while still using it. So to have a very up-to-date system all I have to do is emerge rsync && emerge -up world then emerge -uU world That wasn't too hard

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:59:02 +1200 "C. Falconer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim - Don't believe all those gentoo ricers out there who are quite prepared > to spend hours recompiling everything for 0.01% performance improvement. > > If you're happy with debian then stay with it, and there must

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Carl Cerecke
C. Falconer wrote: Jim - Don't believe all those gentoo ricers out there who are quite prepared to spend hours recompiling everything for 0.01% performance improvement. Is performance why they do it? I thought it was more for the flexibility: You only compile in features of packages that you need

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-09-14T09:59:02+1200, C. Falconer wrote: > Jim - Don't believe all those gentoo ricers out there who are quite > prepared to spend hours recompiling everything for 0.01% performance > improvement. Eh, well, actually most of the performance is getting _worse_ with all of the compiler option

Re: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-09-13T16:52:56+1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: > What's the *right* way to rebuild a Debian package with different > options? > i.e. they ship with Exim, but it doesn't have MySQL support (there are > other answers possible, but this is an example, not a problem) > I'd like to recompile the shi

RE: Right way to compile Debian packages?

2004-09-13 Thread C. Falconer
Jim - Don't believe all those gentoo ricers out there who are quite prepared to spend hours recompiling everything for 0.01% performance improvement. If you're happy with debian then stay with it, and there must be a way around the problem. Keep the list informed as to how it goes. -Origin

Re: Scotland: Thanks for all your advice

2004-09-13 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Sep 14, 2004, at 8:30 AM, Dave Mateer wrote: Hows the time looking now??  What front end for CVS do you use on Linux/KDE? Time looks great :-) I use 'cvs' from the command line, that's not much help, is it? cervisia isn't supposed to be too bad ... -jim

Re: Scotland: Thanks for all your advice

2004-09-13 Thread Dave Mateer
Hows the time looking now??  What front end for CVS do you use on Linux/KDE? Dave. Brendan Greer wrote: Jim Cheetham wrote: Dave Mateer wrote: Distro:  Mandrake10 Do you think you could fix your timezone as well? Your mail claims "Date: Mon, 13 S

Re: How to associate Firefox with html files

2004-09-13 Thread Sascha Beaumont
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:48:29 +1200, Douglas Royds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't convince Gnome to stop using Epiphany as the default viewer for > html files. > > The default application shown in Nautilus is "Web Browser". > > Under the Gnome Preferred Applications tool, I have selected "De

Re: suse9.1 probs

2004-09-13 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> d/l. final patch d/l was updated kernel (can't remember what version it > was now) & when trying to boot suse it hangs after apparently going > through most of the boot process & hangs after "starting cron > starting capisuite " Doesn't ring a bell with me. The kernel is well booted by then. B

suse9.1 probs

2004-09-13 Thread howard blomfield
hi everyone, have been happy using 9.1 pro since robert fisher provided the cd's for me a couple of months ago (after a failed gentoo install - my computer ineptitude i think). anyway last week decided i would try updating via yast any patches available (all had been working fine until then). a

Re: Scotland: Thanks for all your advice

2004-09-13 Thread Brendan Greer
Jim Cheetham wrote: Dave Mateer wrote: Distro: Mandrake10 Do you think you could fix your timezone as well? Your mail claims "Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:40:07 +0100" ... that time hasn't happened yet ... :-) Any mandrake users know the easiest way to fix timezone for the user and/or machine? -