Re: Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Gareth Williams
Robert, Have you tried assigning the interface an IP manually, using ifconfig, like so: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 and seeing if it then has one? Does doing this give you any error messages? And could you please post the output of "ifconfig" :) (or "ifconfig eth0" if eth0 isn't up... seems ki

Re: fork bombs (was Re: Linux security - newbie)

2005-02-09 Thread Zane Gilmore
And for all non-uber-geeks AFAIK a fork bomb is not a bag of explosives filled with kitchen utensils it is a program designed to replicate or "fork" itself in RAM (program memory) until there is no more RAM. The usage of the word fork comes from "fork in the road" Regards, Zane Carl Cerecke w

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 19:55 +1300, Andrew Errington wrote: > Hmm. Setting pppd as SUID is not working. I get error code 19 - we > have > not authenticated ourselves. quite possibly the auth/noauth thing. auth means that the ppp daemon at the other end must authenticvate itself to you. - this i

Re: Publicity for minor open source apps

2005-02-09 Thread Gareth Williams
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:53:16 +1300 (NZDT), Derek Smithies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gareth, > I think you have taken the right approach. > > Mention it on some maillists, and let people have a look at it. > > I thought it looked interesting, and gave the link to two colleagues. > One wrot

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
Hmm. Setting pppd as SUID is not working. I get error code 19 - we have not authenticated ourselves. I made a mistake in my earlier posting- I said that a cause of the errors I saw was that pppd could not write to syslog and other files. This is incorrect. *That* error was kppp helpfully of

Re: Publicity for minor open source apps

2005-02-09 Thread Derek Smithies
Gareth, I think you have taken the right approach. Mention it on some maillists, and let people have a look at it. I thought it looked interesting, and gave the link to two colleagues. One wrote back: " I will use it in our webshop. Wanted to replace the flash shit there that crashes duri

Creating font samples for printing

2005-02-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Suppose I have a bunch of type1 (postscript) fonts, which come as a set of .pfb, .afm and .pfm files. Is there a program which creates a postscript (or pdf) file which prints a sample of each of the fonts? Preferably without having to properly install all those fonts first... type1inst does the j

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> fwiw, my belief is that one should never set a program SUID unless there is > absolutely no other way around the problem. You must set a default route to your ISP's gateway => you must modify your routing table => you must be root => you get pppd to do this for you with the defaultroute option

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:11, Andrew Errington wrote: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:40, you wrote: > > Is this any use? I haven't read to the end, my home brew is complaining > > about being locked in the fridge, I must go and release it. > > > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=126406

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:40, you wrote: > Is this any use? I haven't read to the end, my home brew is complaining > about being locked in the fridge, I must go and release it. > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=126406 Well this is definitely related, but there did not seem to be

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Joshua Collins
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 12:01 +1300, Andrew Errington wrote: > Hi, > > I have a quick question on kppp. > > I am using Debian 3.0 r4, and kppp won't work for a 'normal' user, only > root. > > To fix the problem I did the following two things: > > 1) Add user-who-wishes-to-dial to the 'dip' group

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:37, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > What's dip for? Dial-IP There is, perhaps was by now, a program of that name which was used to make interactive data phone calls. Its users were in the dip group. The long lamented uucp was for the asynchronous group. For use in the golden ol

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Ben Devine
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:44:08 +1300, Richard Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Cheetham wrote: > > > On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Ben Devine wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:41 +1300, Richard Tindall > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> * A BSD-GNU/Linux Users group? (B-GLU; op

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Hadley Rich
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:52, Andrew Errington wrote: > So, I shall amend step 2 to Set SUID bit on /usr/sbin/pppd (chmod > +s /usr/sbin/pppd), and I shall undo the SUID on /usr/bin/kppp. > > Do you think that will be better? Running from memory that is how I used to have ppp setup and is definitely

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
Is this any use? I haven't read to the end, my home brew is complaining about being locked in the fridge, I must go and release it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=126406

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Well, that's how it is by default. Like most things Linux-y you have to > sort through a lot of chaff to find out about the 'dip' group and the > 'dialout' group. What's dip for? > So, I shall amend step 2 to Set SUID bit on /usr/sbin/pppd (chmod +s > /usr/sbin/pppd), and I shall undo the S

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 15:04 +1300, Andrew Errington wrote: > So, yes, there are two groups involved in Debian- 'dialout' allows > access > to the serial ports and 'dip' allows access to /usr/bin/kppp but even > with > 'user' as a member of both groups dialling up will not work- kppp > fails > be

Re: Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 15:15 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > Ifconfig shows no IP addresses > The GUI "Network Settings" has a tick box which only stays ticked for > a > second. > > Any suggestions? yeah, the same one i often espouse, look in the logs!! -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:48, you wrote: > In /etc/network/interfaces I have... > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback This is the loopback interface, and is always present. > iface eth0 inet dhcp > name Ethernet LAN card This is the line for your first ethernet card (eth0). This shows that the

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:05, you wrote: > > I am using Debian 3.0 r4, and kppp won't work for a 'normal' user, only > > root. > > Bad setup. Well, that's how it is by default. Like most things Linux-y you have to sort through a lot of chaff to find out about the 'dip' group and the 'dialout' grou

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Tindall
Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:55 +1300 Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 23:08 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: There was reportedly a BSD-userland Debian mentioned sometime around 1999. Anyone know anything about it? http://www.debian.org/p

RE: Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
In /etc/network/interfaces I have... auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp name Ethernet LAN card auth eth0 Regards, Robert -Original Message- From: Andrew Errington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 4:40 p.m. To: linux-users@it.can

Re: Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:15, you wrote: > I have just installed Ubuntu onto a Tosheba Satellite Pro 4600 laptop. > > During the installation process it did not find network settings via DHCP > so I selected "do not configure network now" (or similar wording) > > Now, although lsmod shows eepro100 and

Ubuntu laptop network no go

2005-02-09 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I have just installed Ubuntu onto a Tosheba Satellite Pro 4600 laptop. During the installation process it did not find network settings via DHCP so I selected "do not configure network now" (or similar wording) Now, although lsmod shows eepro100 and e100 loaded and lspci shows the card and ifconf

Publicity for minor open source apps

2005-02-09 Thread Gareth Williams
Suppose I have written a small "chat application for websites" and wish to release it under the GPL as open source. I grab a sourceforge page for my project (http://sdesk.sourceforge.net/ if anyone's interested :) and post the code up, no problems. But now what? The whole exercise is fairly point

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
> why would kppp write to the logs? as i understand it sysklogd writes to > the logs, kppp etc should use the system logging. > > AFAIK you only need the user-who-wishes to be in a group that has > appropriate access to the device concerned, ie /dev/modem (or whatever > /dev/modem ultimately links

Re: Apache 2 (old thread)

2005-02-09 Thread Gareth Williams
> > mv Fred\ Bloggs.htm fredbloggs.html > > > > the backslash character \ tells the shell that the next character is taken > > literally, not as the command line delimiter. > > > That worked - thanks Nick It's worth noting that if you don't know which characters need to be escaped in a long filen

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> I am using Debian 3.0 r4, and kppp won't work for a 'normal' user, only > root. Bad setup. > 2) Set SUID bit on /usr/bin/kppp (chmod +s /usr/bin/kppp) > It works, but Googling brings up conflicting reports on the goodness of > this approach. Any comments? Never have any GUI programs (ie th

Re: kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:01:36 +1300 Andrew Errington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a quick question on kppp. > > I am using Debian 3.0 r4, and kppp won't work for a 'normal' user, only > root. > > To fix the problem I did the following two things: > > 1) Add user-who-wishes-to-d

OT: PC Magazines

2005-02-09 Thread Chris Downie
I have 60+ NZ PC World and a few other Aussie PC magazines (c1995-2004) to give away. I may be able to drop them off depending on location. I am in Parklands. Please contact me off-list if interested. Cheers, Chris

Re: Apache 2 (old thread)

2005-02-09 Thread rob
> try quoting - eg > > mv "Fred Bloggs.htm" fredbloggs.html Couldn't get that to work ""Fred Bloggs.htm" no such file or directory" > mv Fred\ Bloggs.htm fredbloggs.html > > the backslash character \ tells the shell that the next character is taken > literally, not as the command line delimite

kppp and permissions

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi, I have a quick question on kppp. I am using Debian 3.0 r4, and kppp won't work for a 'normal' user, only root. To fix the problem I did the following two things: 1) Add user-who-wishes-to-dial to the 'dip' group. This is the group associated with /usr/bin/kppp 2) Set SUID bit on /usr/bi

Re: [OT] Nicks car choice

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
OT indeed, I like Mitsubishi, I am on my third car plus a very good video player that lasted far in excess of modern expectations of consumer electronics. However (with all respect to Steve H's car buying history) that evo's are a boy racer mobile, the Bugatti pointed to by Steve is a Real Car

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 09:33 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > > > Anyone know anything about it? > > http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ > > I took from Wes's question that he was looking for BSD userland on the > linux kernel? (what you have pointed to is the converse, but no less > interestin

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 23:08 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: > There was reportedly a BSD-userland Debian mentioned sometime around 1999. > > Anyone know anything about it? http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 08:29 +1300, Michael JasonSmith wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:30 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > Which companies made debian possible in the first place? > FSF > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.1 > but it is not independent.

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:30 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Which companies made debian possible in the first place? FSF http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.1 but it is not independent. -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:55 +1300 Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 23:08 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: > > There was reportedly a BSD-userland Debian mentioned sometime around 1999. > > > > Anyone know anything about it? > http://www.debian.org/ports/kfr

SOLVED - Re: Error compiling K3B

2005-02-09 Thread david merriman
Hi there, Got it sorted. A later version of k3b (0.11.20) was made available, so I downloaded and tried to compile that. This one failed too, BUT it complained about different packages this time, and those packages I was able to install successfully without blowing my monthly bandwidth: /usr

Re: [OT] Nicks car choice

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
A car? A four wheel monstrosity that crowds the road? Give me a Supermarine Spitfire I - or maybe a Zero or a Yak 3 or FW 190 Dora! That's if I can't get ahold of an MB 5 or a CA 15 ... ;) Some of us have _real_ _ambition_! ;) Wesley Parish On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:12, Steve Holdoway wrote: > R

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Tindall
Thanks for your reply Steve, When the Inbox has overflowed and one is scrabbling for a dignified exit, silence is instinctive. But your post I should have answered first. I apologise. Steve Holdoway wrote: Hi Rik, If I could, I would be there. But, thanks to my parents not taking the hint and f

Re: Laptop for newbie

2005-02-09 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:29, Andrew Errington wrote: > I will be answering a lot of questions when I deliver the unit, but I > wondered if anyone has some good pointers before I go over there, so that I > don't overlook anything. I'd have the sshd controllable from the screen so it's not on all the

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:01, Jim Cheetham wrote: > On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Ben Devine wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:41 +1300, Richard Tindall > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> * A BSD-GNU/Linux Users group? (B-GLU; optimal scope). > > > > huh? BSD and linux are two seperate entities?

Re: CLUG-BEERS: A few beers and a bit of a yarn

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:37, Nick Rout wrote: > Robert Fisher and I sometimes get together for a beer on a Friday night, > and Robert deserves it this week as he's just finished working like a > soldier building and moving in to a new house. > > Last time we did this we posted to the list and suggest

Laptop for newbie

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi, I'll start by saying "everything works". I have mentioned this before, but I am setting up a laptop for a friend on the Coast. It is a ThinkPad 600E, with a 300MHz PII processor and I have maxed the RAM to 288Mb. I am installing Debian 3.0 r4 (woody) on it. I know it's a bit old, but it

Re: TRON

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:15, Wesley Parish wrote: > Quoting Andrew Errington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:15, you wrote: > > > Lat night I mentioned in passing the operating system TRON (not to be > > > confused with the movie, Tron). About 2.6 billion systems are shipped > > > wit

Re: [OT] Nicks car choice

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Holdoway
Ross Drummond wrote: Nick, where is your brand loyalty to Mitsubishi? Dint drool over a vehicle built solely to part money from the idle rich. To see an example of a real car go to; http://www.mitsubishimotors.com/lancerevolution/index.html A respected race car and can increase your prospects of be

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:55, Nick Rout wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 21:10 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: > > For Lyndsay: there are Debian(-based) OS's, and there are other OS's > > (imho). > > which ones do you use Rik? > > > So you're correct. There's just Gnu(GPL'd)/Linux, and > > Gnu(GPL'd)/Linu

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:10, Richard Tindall wrote: > rob wrote: > >Would that be a Red Hat? > > > >Woodsey > > > >>> > >> > >>Nick. I stole the hat from Nick. (Sorry) > > White, but not Rushin (only fools.. ;-) > > red & black works well tho. > > There's nothing like socialised headgear, it seems. :

[OT] Nicks car choice

2005-02-09 Thread Ross Drummond
Nick, where is your brand loyalty to Mitsubishi? Dint drool over a vehicle built solely to part money from the idle rich. To see an example of a real car go to; http://www.mitsubishimotors.com/lancerevolution/index.html A respected race car and can increase your prospects of being recognised as

COT Democratic Nuclear Weapon Targetting Policy Initiative Re: computer clock accuracy

2005-02-09 Thread Wesley Parish
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:39, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > The other thing I have found is that if one dual boots with that other > > o/s, while on the 'Net it interferes with the crystal with out any > > authorization, whatsoever setting it to the PST8PDT timezone. > > Yeah, when it comes to timekeepi

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Tindall
Jim Cheetham wrote: On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Ben Devine wrote: On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:41 +1300, Richard Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * A BSD-GNU/Linux Users group? (B-GLU; optimal scope). huh? BSD and linux are two seperate entities? For that matter, Unix is separate from Linux? On t

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:30 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > I think it may be getting a bit too focussed for most people to now > say > anything more than 'who cares'. well said, lets not feed any more trolls! goodnight PS I want to be second behind the wheel of the bugatti :) -- Nick Rout <[EM

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Holdoway
Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 21:10 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: For Lyndsay: there are Debian(-based) OS's, and there are other OS's (imho). which ones do you use Rik? Debian first released 1995 - a year after RedHat. Which companies made debian possible in the first place?

Re: Rosegarden (was Win4Lin (inc. Noteworthy))

2005-02-09 Thread Ken.McAllister
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:08:37 +1300 I wrote: I was a year out of date in my Googling. How time flies. Nick Rout wrote: I don't understand what you are on about here. Although I had Googled, it is some time since I Googled. The sites I visited then have changed now. Thanks for the lead to th

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 22:09 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: > Jim Cheetham wrote: > > > On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Jim Cheetham wrote: > > > >> On the other hand, there is also a good position for an "open source > >> software"[1] grouping, which should include people running on > >> non-free sys

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Lindsay
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 21:10 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: > rob wrote: > > >Would that be a Red Hat? > > > >Woodsey > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Nick. I stole the hat from Nick. (Sorry) > >> > >> > White, but not Rushin (only fools.. ;-) > > red & black works well tho. > > There's n

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Tindall
Jim Cheetham wrote: On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Jim Cheetham wrote: On the other hand, there is also a good position for an "open source software"[1] grouping, which should include people running on non-free systems, forgot my footnote, sorry ... [1]"open source software" being used as a generic

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 21:10 +1300, Richard Tindall wrote: > For Lyndsay: there are Debian(-based) OS's, and there are other OS's > (imho). > which ones do you use Rik? > So you're correct. There's just Gnu(GPL'd)/Linux, and > Gnu(GPL'd)/Linux. > (And BSD.) Linux is released under the GPL but i

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Jim Cheetham wrote: On the other hand, there is also a good position for an "open source software"[1] grouping, which should include people running on non-free systems, forgot my footnote, sorry ... [1]"open source software" being used as a generic phrase that should

Re: [OT] Re: Two systems

2005-02-09 Thread Richard Tindall
rob wrote: Would that be a Red Hat? Woodsey Nick. I stole the hat from Nick. (Sorry) White, but not Rushin (only fools.. ;-) red & black works well tho. There's nothing like socialised headgear, it seems. :-) For Lyndsay: there are Debian(-based) OS's, and there are other OS's (imho

Re: A gathering of the GNUs - calling all GNUs

2005-02-09 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Ben Devine wrote: On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:57:41 +1300, Richard Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * A BSD-GNU/Linux Users group? (B-GLU; optimal scope). huh? BSD and linux are two seperate entities? For that matter, Unix is separate from Linux? So that leads to a more ge