Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Vik Olliver
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 08:53 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a > piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for > using > such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to > write, they'd be g

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread Ken McAllister
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:21 +1300, Robert Fisher wrote: ... > > I am currently downloading the latest Mepis CD. > > I like Mepis. It is easy to install and good with hardware detection. > > Let me know if you want a CD burnt. > Yes, please. A hand up in this corner. If it is convenient to po

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Fisher
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 7:13 pm, Ken McAllister wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: > > Could anyone give me > > recommendations ...? > > Thank you again, > > Josh. > > I like Ubuntu. I have a few CDs to give away but they're out of date. > Are people in general receiving the latest

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thursday 02 March 2006 19:13, HappyEvilSlosh wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: > > Thank you for taking the time out to answer a paranoid novices > > question. I would still would like to change distributions. Could > > anyone give me recommendations and possibly sell me a di

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread Ken McAllister
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: > Could anyone give me > recommendations ...? > Thank you again, > Josh. I like Ubuntu. I have a few CDs to give away but they're out of date. Are people in general receiving the latest mail-out of free discs?

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread HappyEvilSlosh
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: > Thank you for taking the time out to answer a paranoid novices question. > I would still would like to change distributions. Could anyone give me > recommendations and possibly sell me a distribution. Your average distribution is down-loadable from

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread jd
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Thursday 02 March 2006 18:34, jd wrote: cracklib_dict This is the list of words which is used to tell the new user if (s)he has selected a readily crackable password when setting up her account. It's there for your protection. Thank you for taking t

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thursday 02 March 2006 18:34, jd wrote: > cracklib_dict This is the list of words which is used to tell the new user if (s)he has selected a readily crackable password when setting up her account. It's there for your protection. -- CS

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread jd
I meant to say not very discreet,I'll proof read from now on lol. jd wrote: Hello, my names Josh and I'm new to Linux and computers in general and I thought you might be able to help me out on a few things.I was trying to access G.U.I front for my firewall and couldn't also the computer was ac

Re: Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread jd
Dubious spelling to to sorry.I also meant to add that whoever done this is very discreet. jd wrote: Hello, my names Josh and I'm new to Linux and computers in general and I thought you might be able to help me out on a few things.I was trying to access G.U.I front for my firewall and couldn't

Dubious securuty?

2006-03-01 Thread jd
Hello, my names Josh and I'm new to Linux and computers in general and I thought you might be able to help me out on a few things.I was trying to access G.U.I front for my firewall and couldn't also the computer was acting strangely (more than usual, I'm running Fedore Core 4 and want to switc

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Rik Tindall
Ken McAllister wrote: Who else here is from Nelson? is that the one in Lancashire? Nay, lad. 'Tis 10k from Pontypridd, half way to Merthyr Tydfil, well away from the daft English. Tasman (as in Able): an ex NSW-govt-consultant, north american. dedicated. As is Don, to whom a

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> matter... is software treated the same as hardware as far as the law > is concerned? In NZ, in theory, yes. In practice, ROTFL It boils down to "does it do for the purpose it was bought", which means the buyer would have had to specify the purpose (does anyone?), and I guess nobody ha

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > > He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, > > yet he > > fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial > and > > propriety software actually is in

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread David Mann
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:45 AM, stringer wrote: OK I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, even Windows uses some OSS code (eg for its TCP/IP stack?) so clause 64 suggests the government should refuse to use Windows unless the TCP/IP stack is removed? Not such a bad idea. It'd ce

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread David Mann
On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commerc

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Wesley Parish
For what it's worth, I wrote the PM an Open Letter a few years ago on the "cuddle-up-to-Microsoft" Government Shared Source policy, which I thought as useful as the proverbial tits-on-a-bull. My main points were security-related, and working with MS stuff on an almost daily basis, I can see that I

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Ross Drummond
lawyer="Chapman Tripp & Assoc" if [$ADVICE_SOURCE == $lawyer] while pontificating_about_open_source do open_mouth(); insert_foot(); done fi This code is released under the 'evil' licence. If you

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread John Carter
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business.

RE: Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Craig FALCONER
s/apache/linux/ They're running "E-Government Server" not apache. I'll just pull my own foot from my mouth there. -Original Message- From: Craig FALCONER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:02 a.m. To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: 'linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz' Subj

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Craig FALCONER
The document published at http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal is pure and utter drivel. There is a complete failure to recognise that Application Software is not the same as Data. No licence other than the author's copyright would apply to a document saved in any application

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Jim Cheetham
Apparently there's a lot of discussion of this over at NZOSS-openchat, which might be a more appropriate forum. -jim On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:38:23AM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a > piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using > such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to > write, they'd be going

Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Fisher
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 8:59 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: > Thanks, but I was more worring about the profile. It seems as if that > part does not get updated automatically. > The only thing I update when a new version comes out is my Grub file when the splash themes are updated. * media-gfx/splash-t

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread stringer
OK I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, even Windows uses some OSS code (eg for its TCP/IP stack?) so clause 64 suggests the government should refuse to use Windows unless the TCP/IP stack is removed? LOL At 08:53 2/03/06 +1300, you wrote: This piece was brought to my attention

Re: OTish

2006-03-01 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:50, you wrote: > Can anyone recommend a 3 or 4U rackmount case/supplier that'll take 4 > hard disks and a DVD? I can only get Advantech, and they only do 3 disks? Hmm. Many 1U cases will accept two disks, but even if they take only one then you could stack two or four 1U c

RE: OTish

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, March 2, 2006 9:06 am, Craig FALCONER wrote: > www.procase.co.nz can do most anything in that line, but they charge for > it ~$800 for a bare cheap 5U case from memory. Thanks, I'll look into that one. > > I'm using some boring tower cases in my rack - two take up about 9 U side > by

RE: OTish

2006-03-01 Thread Craig FALCONER
www.procase.co.nz can do most anything in that line, but they charge for it ~$800 for a bare cheap 5U case from memory. I'm using some boring tower cases in my rack - two take up about 9 U side by side. Or I can fir four desktop cases in the same space (but less accessible) Do you need it

Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Himmelmann
Thanks, but I was more worring about the profile. It seems as if that part does not get updated automatically. Robert Fisher wrote: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 2:22 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/porta

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Ken McAllister
> > > > Regards, Rik > > > > > Who else here is from Nelson? > > > > =Andrew > > is that the one in Lancashire? Nay, lad. 'Tis 10k from Pontypridd, half way to Merthyr Tydfil, well away from the daft English.

OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Holdoway
This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this

Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Fisher
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 2:22 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: > How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? > > rm /etc/make.profile > ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile > emerge -uDav world emerge -uDv world keeps you up to date. But if you wa

Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Himmelmann
Steve Holdoway wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/ Interesting to note that it's not gone for gcc 4 yet. Must look into that one. Steve How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile

Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:

2006-03-01 Thread Robert Himmelmann
Steve Holdoway wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/ Interesting to note that it's not gone for gcc 4 yet. Must look into that one. Steve How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile

Re: OTish

2006-03-01 Thread Adrian Mageanu
I use ANTEC. I have in it 4xHDD, 1xFloppy, 1xDVD and 5 bays free. It is a tower case. On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 18:50 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Can anyone recommend a 3 or 4U rackmount case/supplier that'll take 4 hard > disks and a DVD? I can only get Advantech, and they only do 3 disks? > >

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:11:16 +1300 "Andrew M. Packer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) > > > > > Regards, Rik > > > Who else here is from Nelson? > > =Andrew is

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Olwen Williams
Not me, I'm from BlenheimOn 01/03/06, Andrew M. Packer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote:> Hi folks,>>> + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :)>> > Regards, Rik>Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew(PS - Thanks Wesley for the comments at the

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Roger Searle
I was born there - does that count? Andrew M. Packer wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Hi folks, + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) Regards, Rik Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew (PS - Thanks Wesley for the comment

Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight

2006-03-01 Thread Andrew M. Packer
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: > Hi folks, > > > + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) > > > Regards, Rik > Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew (PS - Thanks Wesley for the comments at the last meeting re my wife's peculiarly unstable system. We gave up