Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-06 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, September 6, 2007 7:16 pm, Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:19:12 +1200 > Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 06/09/07, Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The last problem with sendmail reported for 8.13.8, over a year ago so >> I think your comments c

Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Cheetham
On 06/09/07, Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:48:25 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > local filesystem 2GB size limit? :-) > No, that's the really weird bit! Errm, then perhaps the kernel doesn't have large file support ... or the app was compiled

Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-06 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:48:25 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Never tried it. I've got one server that generates a 2GB mail which it > > fails to send whenever some cronjob fails. > > local filesystem 2GB size limit? :-) > > -jim No, that's the really weird bit!

Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-06 Thread Jim Cheetham
On 06/09/07, Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blimey! I must have been using m4 for over 15 years... how old's sendmail now? First shipped under that name in 1983 according to Wikipedia. I was hacking it in 1990. M4 predates sendmail significantly, but I think it was only deployed in se

Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-06 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:19:12 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06/09/07, Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The last problem with sendmail reported for 8.13.8, over a year ago so I > > think your comments could be considered overly critical, given the volumes > > of e

Re: Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-05 Thread Jim Cheetham
On 06/09/07, Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The last problem with sendmail reported for 8.13.8, over a year ago so I > think your comments could be considered overly critical, given the volumes of > email it processes, it's one of the biggest ( some say the biggest - > http://www.or

Rather OT now... Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-05 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:49:15 +1200 Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One hasn't heard a lot about sendmail for the past few years, but I hear > > all the time about php. Was it "month of php bugs" lately? > > You haven't been listening very closely. Look at the CVE list for > sendmai

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-05 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2007-09-05T22:42:17+1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > Lousy apps written in php may be common, but my Linux vendor doesn't > update php on a frequent basis because of security bugs in the > applications written in php. Sure, the PHP runtime is has had problems. I said that already. Here's an amu

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-09-05 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Tue 28 Aug 2007 13:10:09 NZST +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote: > No, definitely for sendmail. I forgot to trim the PHP bit. PHP has had > some problems, but mostly it gets a bad rap due to the popular but terrible > (wrt security) applications built with it. Lousy apps written in php may be comm

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2007-08-28T12:39:43+1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Not for sendmail, that's for sure. No, definitely for sendmail. I forgot to trim the PHP bit. PHP has had some problems, but mostly it gets a bad rap due to the popular but terrible (wrt security) applications built with it. sendmail has a l

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:17:59 +1200 Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 2007-08-28T10:38:52+1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > B*ll*cks. The only reason that sendmail could be less secure is because > > the configurer didn't know what they were doing. Same as all the bad press > > that php

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2007-08-28T10:38:52+1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: > B*ll*cks. The only reason that sendmail could be less secure is because > the configurer didn't know what they were doing. Same as all the bad press > that php gets. Blame the workman, not the tools. That, and the terrible track record for secur

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Roger Searle
Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:14:39 +1200 > Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > >> about such service. My answer lies in using my own domain and addresses >> though I'm not convinced I can get better reliability via this route, at >> least I would no longer be ti

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, August 28, 2007 11:29 am, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote: > On Aug 28, 2007 10:38:52, Steve Holdoway wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:56:06 +1200 >> Jasper Bryant-Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Postfix - in my experience faster and easier to configure, with a >> better >> > security

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Aug 28, 2007 10:38:52, Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:56:06 +1200 > Jasper Bryant-Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Postfix - in my experience faster and easier to configure, with a better > > security track record. > B*ll*cks. The only reason that sendmail could be less s

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:56:06 +1200 Jasper Bryant-Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Postfix - in my experience faster and easier to configure, with a better > security track record. B*ll*cks. The only reason that sendmail could be less secure is because the configurer didn't know what they were

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Aug 28, 2007 09:30:42, Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:14:39 +1200 > Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > about such service. My answer lies in using my own domain and addresses > > though I'm not convinced I can get better reliability via this route, at > > least

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:14:39 +1200 Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > about such service. My answer lies in using my own domain and addresses > though I'm not convinced I can get better reliability via this route, at > least I would no longer be tied to a particular ISP. It is cost

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Roger Searle
Robert Fisher wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2007 11:15 pm, alanw wrote: > > >> But I'd be interested to know how anyone on this list rates TelstraClear's >> broadband, either paradise.net or clear.net. >> > > Helpdesk response is slow - IMHO > I've been with Paradise (TCL) for years - not

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread professorwagstaff
Had Clear broadband for 9 months before breaking my 12 month contract because there phone support sucked ! Xnet is cheaper ,no contract and has much better support. On 27/08/07 23:25:12, Stein Magne wrote: Den 27. aug. 2007 kl. 23.15 skrev alanw: I've been with clear.net on dial-up for 10

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Robert Fisher
On Monday 27 August 2007 11:15 pm, alanw wrote: > But I'd be interested to know how anyone on this list rates TelstraClear's > broadband, either paradise.net or clear.net. Helpdesk response is slow - IMHO

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread Stein Magne
Den 27. aug. 2007 kl. 23.15 skrev alanw: I've been with clear.net on dial-up for 10 years and haven't made the switch to broadband yet. (I'd prefer to support wireless and detest traffic charges.) I got a clear account bundled with the computer I bought, and that was alright with me beca

Re: CLEAR broadband (was XTRA Broadband dead (again)

2007-08-27 Thread alanw
I've been with clear.net on dial-up for 10 years and haven't made the switch to broadband yet. (I'd prefer to support wireless and detest traffic charges.) I got a clear account bundled with the computer I bought, and that was alright with me because Telecom's phone service sucked. (I switched