Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Carl Cerecke
Williams, Olwen - SAL wrote: From what I remember about mechanical typewriters letters together on the same row do not have their hammers together. The letters in the rows were staggered and had linkages. The hammers probably go "q" "a" "z" "w" "s" "x" "e" "d" "c" Yes. Now that you mention it, I

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Nick Rout
yeah ok i have read the wiki entry now, i was closeish... On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:50:00 +1200 Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Rout wrote: > > > qwerty was invented to slow down typists so that their typwriters did > > not jam so often, or so i was told once. it may be an urban lege

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> qwerty was invented to slow down typists so that their typwriters did > not jam so often Sounds plausible, but so do a lot of urban legends. The story of keyboards is a long one with a lot of suck in it... (I'm currently having usability arguments with KDE & Co about bilingual users.) Volker

RE: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Williams, Olwen - SAL
e" "d" "c" Olwen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Carl Cerecke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop) Not really. It was designed so that c

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Carl Cerecke
Nick Rout wrote: qwerty was invented to slow down typists so that their typwriters did not jam so often, or so i was told once. it may be an urban legend, i have no authority for that proposition ither than remebering being told it. Not really. It was designed so that common letter pairs were far a

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:24 +1200 Volker Kuhlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Go Dvorak. Not only can you be 1337, no-one else wants to use your computer > > (or they give up after a couple of minutes) > > > > http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ > > "... Dvorak keymap is carefully adapted to

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 11:33, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > Which country came up with querty? United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwerty -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> Go Dvorak. Not only can you be 1337, no-one else wants to use your computer > (or they give up after a couple of minutes) > > http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ "... Dvorak keymap is carefully adapted to the English language..." Possibly why I haven't heard much of it in Europe. Then again, the

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-28 Thread Wayne Rooney
On Wednesday 28 July 2004 16:55, Michael JasonSmith wrote: > Oh, and using a non-standard keyboard is l337 as you well > know :P Go Dvorak. Not only can you be 1337, no-one else wants to use your computer (or they give up after a couple of minutes) http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-28 Thread Sascha Beaumont
Zane Gilmore wrote: > In the GIMP picture menu: > Image->Mode->Decompose There is a choice ther for CMYK > > And it seems to produce four images that might be tcolour separations. > Isn't this what is being talked about? > > (IANA printer but isn't this CMYK support?) That creates a CMYK colour

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-28 Thread Zane Gilmore
There is something puzzling me... Christopher Sawtell wrote: CMYK is coming. In the GIMP picture menu: Image->Mode->Decompose There is a choice ther for CMYK And it seems to produce four images that might be tcolour separations. Isn't this what is being talked about? (IANA printer but isn't this C

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-28 Thread steve
Carl Cerecke wrote: Carl Cerecke wrote: Mind you, I'm not a lawyer or colour expert. Just a programmer who sees a nifty opportunity :- grr. My zero/left paren key is broken. I also don't know my left from my right. That should be right-paren, for the smiley... ...depends if you're left handed o

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-27 Thread Jim Cheetham
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ Seriously the best keyboard to have around. Small form factor makes it an ideal kbd to plug in to that spare PC you're building, not necessarily the best for long-term use but always the best 'second kbd' :-) -jim, hhkbd since 1998

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-27 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:50, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Not paying $100 for a keyboard unless it's made from gold. I am sure there are some gold components. I first balked at the price, then I looked at how much Microsoft keyboards cost, and I figured the extra function keys, the good three-button mous

Re: New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-27 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:24, Carl Cerecke wrote: Who said these IBM Model M keybopards are indestructible :- So is the nine/left paren. Time for a "Type 6 USB Country kit Australian" http://makeashorterlink.com/?C287139E8 [au.sun.com] Not paying $100 for a keyboar

New Keyboard (Was: Gimp versus PhotoShop)

2004-07-27 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:24, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Who said these IBM Model M keybopards are indestructible :- So is the > nine/left paren. Time for a "Type 6 USB Country kit Australian" http://makeashorterlink.com/?C287139E8 [au.sun.com] -- Michael JasonSmith

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Carl Cerecke
Carl Cerecke wrote: Mind you, I'm not a lawyer or colour expert. Just a programmer who sees a nifty opportunity :- grr. My zero/left paren key is broken. I also don't know my left from my right. That should be right-paren, for the smiley... Who said these IBM Model M keybopards are indestructib

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:02, Carl Cerecke wrote: Useful for "building" color swatches inside applications that do not offer PANTONE Color Support but do support CMYK color space." Unfortunately building and distributing an application that *does* offer Pantone Color Suppor

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:02, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Useful for "building" color swatches > inside applications that do not offer > PANTONE Color Support but do > support CMYK color space." Unfortunately building and distributing an application that *does* offer Pantone Color Support requires paying

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Carl Cerecke
Carl Cerecke wrote: You can download their colours in various formats: http://www.pantone.com/support/support.asp?idArticle=73&platform=PC Don't know if this helps or not... Carl. Specifically, this one; the "PDF Value list": "Text document listing all 1,089 PANTONE Colors, together with CMYK data.

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 14:47, Christopher Sawtell wrote: CMYK is coming. But Pantone is not :( You can download their colours in various formats: http://www.pantone.com/support/support.asp?idArticle=73&platform=PC Don't know if this helps or not... Carl.

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 14:47, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > CMYK is coming. But Pantone is not :( -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/

Re: Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:47:24 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's pretty good as a photo-editor too. > to wit, before:- > http://berty.dyndns.org/Sawtell_Family.orig.jpg > and after:- > http://berty.dyndns.org/Sawtell_Family.jpg > Fifty year old black and white photos

Gimp versus PhotoShop

2004-07-27 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Quoting Sascha Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Chris Wilkinson wrote: > > A few things. Photoshop might also be seen to be missing a few > > things too. > > > > The biggest thing missing about Gimp is a well researched and > objective > > review, as opposed to subjective spin from peopl