Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-05 Thread John Carter
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Wesley Parish wrote: For what it's worth, I wrote the PM an Open Letter a few years ago on the "cuddle-up-to-Microsoft" Government Shared Source policy, which I thought as useful as the proverbial tits-on-a-bull. At least there is one party that has the right attitude on th

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-04 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:53:17 +1300 (NZDT) Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a > piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using > such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licens

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-04 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Saturday 04 March 2006 22:06, Zane Gilmore wrote: > I have just got back from the GOVIS Open Source seminar. > http://www.govis.org.nz/oss2006/oss2006.htm > There were a lot of government IT managers there. > > One of the speakers was the author of this paper. > At the time I had just spent the

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-04 Thread Wesley Parish
One of the Groklawyers posted a comment that the SSC was drafting a Bill to make Software Patents possible in NZ. http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20060301213210833&title=The+NZ+% 26quot%3BGet+the+Facts%26quot% 3B+Style++Report&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=415176#c

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-04 Thread Zane Gilmore
I have just got back from the GOVIS Open Source seminar. http://www.govis.org.nz/oss2006/oss2006.htm There were a lot of government IT managers there. One of the speakers was the author of this paper. At the time I had just spent the last day and night cut off from the internet and had not heard

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Vik Olliver
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 08:53 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a > piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for > using > such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to > write, they'd be g

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> matter... is software treated the same as hardware as far as the law > is concerned? In NZ, in theory, yes. In practice, ROTFL It boils down to "does it do for the purpose it was bought", which means the buyer would have had to specify the purpose (does anyone?), and I guess nobody ha

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > > He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, > > yet he > > fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial > and > > propriety software actually is in

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread David Mann
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:45 AM, stringer wrote: OK I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, even Windows uses some OSS code (eg for its TCP/IP stack?) so clause 64 suggests the government should refuse to use Windows unless the TCP/IP stack is removed? Not such a bad idea. It'd ce

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread David Mann
On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commerc

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Wesley Parish
For what it's worth, I wrote the PM an Open Letter a few years ago on the "cuddle-up-to-Microsoft" Government Shared Source policy, which I thought as useful as the proverbial tits-on-a-bull. My main points were security-related, and working with MS stuff on an almost daily basis, I can see that I

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Ross Drummond
lawyer="Chapman Tripp & Assoc" if [$ADVICE_SOURCE == $lawyer] while pontificating_about_open_source do open_mouth(); insert_foot(); done fi This code is released under the 'evil' licence. If you

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread John Carter
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business.

RE: Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Craig FALCONER
x27;linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz' Subject: Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt The document published at http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal is pure and utter drivel. There is a complete failure to recognise that Application Software is not the same as D

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Craig FALCONER
The document published at http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal is pure and utter drivel. There is a complete failure to recognise that Application Software is not the same as Data. No licence other than the author's copyright would apply to a document saved in any application

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Jim Cheetham
Apparently there's a lot of discussion of this over at NZOSS-openchat, which might be a more appropriate forum. -jim On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:38:23AM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: > This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a > piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using > such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to > write, they'd be going

Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread stringer
OK I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, even Windows uses some OSS code (eg for its TCP/IP stack?) so clause 64 suggests the government should refuse to use Windows unless the TCP/IP stack is removed? LOL At 08:53 2/03/06 +1300, you wrote: This piece was brought to my attention

OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt

2006-03-01 Thread Steve Holdoway
This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this