Steve Gibson on the evils of software patents

2007-05-25 Thread robert vickerstaff
Steve Gibson has just released a good podcast about the evil's of software patents: http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#93 He covers the problems of patents in general and gives a very clear analysis of the recent 'linux infringes 235 of our patents' claim by Micro$oft. Skip the f

Re: Software patents getting closer?

2005-06-24 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:26, Robert Fisher wrote: > On that Wiki page the word "Transcluded" is used. I have never heard of it > and although google throws up several pages using the word > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Transcluded could not find it. > > Translation anyone? Inclusion of i

Re: Software patents getting closer?

2005-06-24 Thread Robert Fisher
On that Wiki page the word "Transcluded" is used. I have never heard of it and although google throws up several pages using the word http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Transcluded could not find it. Translation anyone? Rob. Richard Tindall said: > Richard Tindall wrote: > >> suit-asserti

Re: Software patents getting closer?

2005-06-24 Thread Richard Tindall
Richard Tindall wrote: suit-assertion (asset-grabbing profiteering) - otherwise known as pirates. Temporal authority has always been thus. For means to take them on, see the Wiki http://clug.net.nz/index.php/MeetingSchedule Go the ABs! - Chilled-Out. -- Never engage in a battle of wits w

Re: Software patents getting closer?

2005-06-21 Thread Richard Tindall
which to argue sense. The absolute crock that is software patents is exposed like this: Claimant M(S) has registered programme-sentence "The cat is on the mat, sitting". Claimant N(V) is prevented not only from registering - but even from *using* - the programme-sentence "The cat

Software patents getting closer?

2005-06-21 Thread Steve Holdoway
RMS is surprisingly level headed! Steve http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/comment/story/0,12449,1510566,00.html -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what?

Re: Patents

2005-04-11 Thread Wesley Parish
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:42, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:15, Lindsay wrote: > > Patents > > The only way to fight back against these software patent advocates is to > > think up idea's, get together with friends and supporters and patent all > &g

Re: Patents

2005-04-10 Thread Martin Bähr
to patent > an idea - you've already done it. to late. all the needed ideas ARE ALREADY PATENTED. i don't know about the state in NZ, but in europe (despite softwarepatents not being legal) and the US and many other places all those patents are gone. software always operates on a global lev

Re: Patents

2005-04-10 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:15, Lindsay wrote: > Patents > The only way to fight back against these software patent advocates is to > think up idea's, get together with friends and supporters and patent all > your idea's. That way, when these multinational rat-bags go to pat

Patents

2005-04-10 Thread Lindsay
Patents The only way to fight back against these software patent advocates is to think up idea's, get together with friends and supporters and patent all your idea's. That way, when these multinational rat-bags go to patent an idea - you've already done it. Its cheaper to patent

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-20 Thread Martin Bähr
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:28:00AM +1300, yuri wrote: > > Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems > Don't you mean "victory for *good* sense" > I'm, afraid it's not necessarily common. actually it is more common than you may thing. every common p

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-20 Thread Martin Bähr
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 04:13:12PM +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/18/138220 > Good to see huh? yes, but beware, it's not over yet. we have won a battle, but we have not yet won the war. greetings, martin. -- cooperative communication with sTeam |

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-20 Thread yuri
> Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems Don't you mean "victory for *good* sense" I'm, afraid it's not necessarily common. Yuri -- ** WARNING to mailing list repliers ** Gmail over-rides "Reply-To:" field. Check your "To:" address before sending reply to this post.

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-20 Thread Vik Olliver
On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 22:45 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: > But when a Sun Vice-President makes the statement that software and hardware > have become increasingly intertwined these days, and so software patents are > a natural development from patenting the hardware (discussion in Gro

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-20 Thread Wesley Parish
e-dream again. > > No, not in Europe, not just yet anyway. > The European Union has decided not to cast software patents into statute > law just yet. > > I have no real objection to a patent for a _really_ clever implementation > of a distinctly non-trivial algorithm, particula

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Union has decided not to cast software patents into statute law just yet. I have no real objection to a patent for a _really_ clever implementation of a distinctly non-trivial algorithm, particularly if the software controls a complex industrial process or similar, but storing a database index point

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Lindsay
It may come down to how corrupt officials are Nick and who offers the biggest 'back-hander." The hopes of seeing 'justice done' may be but a pipe-dream again. On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 18:33 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > errr sorry if i missed your point. > > anyway, an important topic for computer ent

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Nick Rout
errr sorry if i missed your point. anyway, an important topic for computer enthisiasts, but particulalry the free/open world that linux and its friends inhabit. On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 18:19 +1300, Lindsay wrote: > No, you missed the point Nick. I'm not biased "that the lawyers will > get a seco

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Lindsay
No, you missed the point Nick. I'm not biased "that the lawyers will get a second bite at the cherry." They have to earn a living too! On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 17:46 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > If you are saying you don't have a view on software patents you should > do a

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Nick Rout
If you are saying you don't have a view on software patents you should do a little research IMHO. They will not improve your computing experience. OTPH if you really think the ability to buy goods online should be limited to the one entity that wants to hold the patent on the concept, an

Re: Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Lindsay
Being unbiased myself, I guess the lawyers for both sides will be pleased Nick. They'll have a second bite of the cherry . . . . On Sun, 2005-02-20 at 16:13 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/18/138220 > > Good to see huh? >

Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Nick Rout
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/18/138220 Good to see huh? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Patents - victory for common sense in Europe it seems

2005-02-19 Thread Nick Rout
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/18/138220 Good to see huh? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: OT american patents

2003-10-13 Thread Wesley Parish
: > Can they patent it if other people are already using it? > > > From: Paul William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: CLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: OT american patents > >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:14:29 +1300 >

RE: OT american patents

2003-10-12 Thread Brad Beveridge
Subject: Re: OT american patents > > > Can they patent it if other people are already using it? > > > >From: Paul William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: CLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: OT american patents > &g

Re: OT american patents

2003-10-12 Thread Luuk Paulussen
Can they patent it if other people are already using it? From: Paul William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT american patents Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:14:29 +1300 Hi guys, I read on /. that MS has patented the user-is-typi

OT american patents

2003-10-10 Thread Paul William
Hi guys, I read on /. that MS has patented the user-is-typing-a-message-notification IM feature used by jabber and other IM systems. If a US patent is taken out can it be enforced in NZ? I an NOT asking for legal advice - just interested I would really miss the user-is-typing-a-message-notif

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-05 Thread Vik Olliver
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 17:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Aren't SuperWaba, Sable and Kaffee Free? > > None of them are actual java and they don't include the java class > library. Kaffee is close, but does not include fundemental classes such > as BigInteger. They seem to work over here Vik :v)

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aren't SuperWaba, Sable and Kaffee Free? None of them are actual java and they don't include the java class library. Kaffee is close, but does not include fundemental classes such as BigInteger.

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-02 Thread Andrew Turner
Looks like the vote has been delayed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32614.html -- I'm not worried about Artificial Intelligence, when they invent Artificial Stupidiy, then I'll be scared.

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-02 Thread Vik Olliver
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 10:57, Zane Gilmore wrote: > Vik Olliver wrote: > > Two things I can see coming of this: > > > > 1. Hardware that can be reprogrammed to run, amongst other things, Java > > bytecode like the last 3 ARM CPUs. > > > > 2. The need for a Java bytecode Linux. > The what? Tha Jaz

Linux on JVM (was Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents)

2003-09-01 Thread Carl Cerecke
Zane Gilmore wrote: Vik Olliver wrote: Two things I can see coming of this: 1. Hardware that can be reprogrammed to run, amongst other things, Java bytecode like the last 3 ARM CPUs. 2. The need for a Java bytecode Linux. The what? The *need*? Why would someone put an Open and free operating syst

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-01 Thread Zane Gilmore
Vik Olliver wrote: Two things I can see coming of this: 1. Hardware that can be reprogrammed to run, amongst other things, Java bytecode like the last 3 ARM CPUs. 2. The need for a Java bytecode Linux. The what? The *need*? Why would someone put an Open and free operating system in a proprietary

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-01 Thread Vik Olliver
On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 13:41, Lee Begg wrote: > There are open source CPUs. I know of two, the Freedom processor and the > OpenRISC 1000. > > The freedom processor is not going to be useful for quite some time. > > The OpenRISC has actually run in hardware (FPGA). It is quite a nice > processo

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-09-01 Thread Lee Begg
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:28, Shane Hollis wrote: > ... > > >and plans to incorporate surveillance chips in all new Intel-based > > (Pentium) computers from 2005 in order to ensure "security" for users. > > Watch AMD suddenly gain market share ... Intel would have to be nuts is > there an open sou

Re: OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-08-31 Thread Shane Hollis
... >and plans to incorporate surveillance chips in all new Intel-based (Pentium) >computers from 2005 in order to ensure "security" for users. Watch AMD suddenly gain market share ... Intel would have to be nuts is there an open source CPU?

OT: Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents

2003-08-31 Thread YudA
Hi all, I thought some of you might find this interesting... from: http://www.indymedia.org More links and pics from the above address Kerry Netwide Protests against EU Software Patents The cream of Europe's politicized programmers took to the streets in Brussels in a protest that co

FW: debian-knoppix digest, _ Software patents issue in EU

2003-08-28 Thread Lance Blackler
Software will be illegal and even MS needs to pay a lot of Money, to legalize their Software (if they get the licences). Online-Shops will die at all, maybe email too. All this is currently patented, but those patents aren't legal in europe. ...ok, that was the worst case, but close to t