On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, David Mann wrote:
...
> BTW the tutor who taught the DW course I went on last year was of the
> opinion that you should only bother writing for MSIE. And he's done
> pages for several high-profile businesses.
...
This opinion can be seen practiced at its best on Microsoft's
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 9:54 am, Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> the fundamentals of how the HTML works, only how to make
> eye candy...
HTML is eye candy!!! The same goes for ps. XML on the other
hand isnt eye candy.
I wouldnt code gtk C code by hand, I would use glade. Does
that make me any less of a
Agree'd with all you said...but WYSIWYG vs. hand coding is a major flame
war in the making!! Almost as bad as vi vs. emacs I reckon
Cheers
Jason
David Mann wrote:
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
Sounds like an MS Certified puppet. He might know how to run DW and
Frontpage and all the other 'pro' a
On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 20:10, John Carter wrote:
> I find XHTML is less about standards browser than about scripting power.
I agree. The nice thing about XHTML is that the bowser will have a
stylesheet already defined for the document, so you do not have to
define that a "" is a list item...
Havin
Hi there,
David Mann wrote:
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
Sounds like an MS Certified puppet. He might know how to run DW and
Frontpage and all the other 'pro' apps, but could he peruse HTML
syntax in a text editor and know if its gonna work?
Actually he could. An introduction to HTML was the first hal
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:52:06 +1200
Chris Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
[SNIP]
> As a result I actually put notices on the pages saying that "due to the
> minor abberations from the W3C standards that MS used, this page will
> not display as intended in any version of
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> Sounds like an MS Certified puppet. He might know how to run DW and
> Frontpage and all the other 'pro' apps, but could he peruse HTML
> syntax in a text editor and know if its gonna work?
Actually he could. An introduction to HTML was the first half-day of the
course.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 04:40:57PM +1200, Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> True, but I'd be happier to accept Javascript as a standard than
> Jscript since the M$ product is nothing more than a bastardisation of
> the other.
If you want to talk about real, open standards, both Javascript and
JScript are
Hi there,
Wesley Parish wrote:
Which is why I use emacs as my HTML editor and konqueror, Galeon and Mozilla
as the test browsers - I'd use the IE that came with my box's Win98, but I
can't be bothered with installing it under wine.
I forgot about Galeon...nice and snappy 'tis...
konqueror is ve
Hi there,
Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:33:20PM +1200, Chris Wilkinson wrote:
The problem with standards is that M$ don't like not controlling them.
Just look at Javascript..."lets write a slightly compatible thing,
call it JScript, and encourage web authors to use that instead
> >BTW the tutor who taught the DW course I went on last year was of the
> >opinion that you should only bother writing for MSIE. And he's done
> >pages for several high-profile businesses.
>
> Sounds like an MS Certified puppet. He might know how to run DW and
> Frontpage and all the other 'pr
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:33:20PM +1200, Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> The problem with standards is that M$ don't like not controlling them.
> Just look at Javascript..."lets write a slightly compatible thing,
> call it JScript, and encourage web authors to use that instead of the
> real McCoy", is ho
Which is why I use emacs as my HTML editor and konqueror, Galeon and Mozilla
as the test browsers - I'd use the IE that came with my box's Win98, but I
can't be bothered with installing it under wine.
konqueror is very strict - if konqueror and Mozilla give the thumbs down to a
web page, I know
I find XHTML is less about standards browser than about scripting power.
You see and XHTML document is just plain XML right? Got a hairy DTD
perhaps, but its XML.
XML can be slurped in, juggled, combined, played with, mangled and spat
out by a hundred nifty tools and libraries.
Fun fun fun!
Rub
Hi there,
David Mann wrote:
BTW the tutor who taught the DW course I went on last year was of the
opinion that you should only bother writing for MSIE. And he's done
pages for several high-profile businesses.
Sounds like an MS Certified puppet. He might know how to run DW and
Frontpage and all
ve it time.
Peter van Hout
-Original Message-
From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 11:31 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 19:28, David Mann wrote:
> My page at http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 19:28, David Mann wrote:
> My page at http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ is valid HTML 4.01
> Transitional (but not strict). Created with Dreamweaver. It is an
> extremely simple page however.
HTML 4.01! Pah, I don't bother with four year-old standards.
Transitional, none
On Thursday 12 June 2003 19:28, David Mann wrote:
> BTW the tutor who taught the DW course I went on last year was of the
> opinion that you should only bother writing for MSIE. And he's done
> pages for several high-profile businesses.
But of course. Nothing else supports the wonderful tag, doe
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> None of the DW pages I've examined in the past passed the basic w3c
> compliancy test. However, given the choice I'd use DW over FP any day.
My page at http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ is valid HTML 4.01
Transitional (but not strict). Created with Dreamweaver. It is an
Hi there,
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I am no Guru.
I changed from Dreamweaver on Windows to Mozilla Composer on Linux with not
too many hassles to create a fairly simple web site for my remote family and
friends.
http://www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz/index.htm
I rely solely on Kate (yes, as
27 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:56:10 +1200
Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...snip...]
> The tools work best if you
> know how the system works, and you are not fooled into believing in a
> WYSIWYG Web.
&g
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:56:10 +1200
Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...snip...]
> The tools work best if you
> know how the system works, and you are not fooled into believing in a
> WYSIWYG Web.
>
exactly.
this persistent delusion that site creators can (and should) control how
't
> And just for the record, MSFP creates markedly more horrid (read:
> proprietary) HTML than DW ever could
None of the DW pages I've examined in the past passed the basic w3c
compliancy test. However, given the choice I'd use DW over FP any day.
Volker
--
Volker Kuhlmann is
It isn't for the faint of heart and I don;t use all its features but I
am "self-taught" DW user who had NO knowlege of HTML just 2 years ago. I
just used their tutorial and started creating... =)
Peter van Hout wrote:
I would agree that MSFP does do stuff that you do not want it to do and
it's
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
And just for the record, MSFP creates markedly more horrid (read:
proprietary) HTML than DW ever couldPlus, it leaves tags all over
the show that tells everyone that it was cr
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Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 12:07 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Peter van Hout
Subject:Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
> At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
>
> I will sta
And just for the record, MSFP creates markedly more horrid (read:
proprietary) HTML than DW ever couldPlus, it leaves tags all over
the show that tells everyone that it was created in front page!!!
Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
> At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
>
> I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
> I'm looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
>
> I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has sug
I might be...turning blue as we write.call 11.quick...
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:56 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: RE: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 11:46, Peter van Hout
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 11:46, Peter van Hout wrote:
> I could respond to Michael JasonSmith about the 'real world' but I
> will hold my breath.
But you didn't :P
I know, I am a l33t purist with a tenuous relationship to reality. I
have the same arguments with most people who work with HTML day in
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Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:40 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
Iÿm looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
I could response to Michael JasonSmith about the 'real world' but I will hold my
breath.
Peter van Hout
-Original Message-
From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 11:40 a.m.
To: linux users
Subject: Re: Web Page Authoring Software
On
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
> I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
> I’m looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
[Breathe, Michael. In... out... in... out...]
1. True WYSIWYG is impossible for Web authoring as you have *no* contr
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 10:33, Peter van Hout wrote:
> I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
> I’m looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
If you grok XML and the advantages of it, you might want to think about
using XHTML. In which case if you d/load the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
>
>
>
>I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the weekend but
>Im looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
>
>
>
>I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has suggested Mozilla Co
At long last I have my Mandrake up and going (thanks to Jason).
I will start moving some of my stuff over from XP over the
weekend but I’m looking for WYSIWYG web authoring/design software.
I use MS FrontPage at the moment. Jason has
suggested Mozilla Composer, Screem or Quanta. A
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