Re: UTF-8 support for the ancient shell toys

2001-11-03 Thread Philip Newton
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:16:32 + (GMT), in perl.unicode you wrote: > In practice, Perl has long ago replaced grep, sort, tr, awk, for all but > sentimental reasons. I'd like to disagree with 'sort'. In some cases, at least, the system-supplied sort(1) can do disk-based (merge?) sorting, enablin

Re: current idea

2001-11-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Ai.ai, ai! Kludge upon kludge! Surely it really IS a better idea to > start back at the beginning and rewrite the underlying Lisp engine > to handle UTF-8, and do it right. Maybe a misunderstanding. The underlying Lisp engine *never* sees UTF-8. We are talking about buffer and string represe

Re: Re[2]: encoding of /etc/passwd

2001-11-03 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:Nerijus Baliunas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.utf8 > > HPA> > HPA> In practice, as all of this painfully illustrates, is that multiple > HPA> encodings in anything but an isolated environment is ultimately > HPA> futile. Whereas data in

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Re: UTF-8 support for the ancient shell toys

2001-11-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:16:32PM +, Markus Kuhn wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/utf8/Unicode-HOWTO-4.html > > > > This is still silent about Grep, Sort, and tr, which are > > the utilities where the non-ASCII support should be a non-

Re: encoding of /etc/passwd

2001-11-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:04:57PM +0200, Nerijus Baliunas wrote: > On 31 Oct 2001 09:49:21 -0800 "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HPA> > Global files such as /etc/*, /usr/include/*, etc. obviously *must* remain > HPA> > in a locale invariant encoding. This is today ISO 646 IRV (US

Re: UTF-8 support for the ancient shell toys

2001-11-03 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:16:32 + (GMT) > From: Markus Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Basically, even after reading that page (which told me something I > > didn't know in some cases), Unicode support in basic development > > tools is still very much rudimentary. > > In practice, Perl has

Re: UTF-8 support for the ancient shell toys

2001-11-03 Thread David Starner
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:16:32PM +, Markus Kuhn wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/utf8/Unicode-HOWTO-4.html > > > > This is still silent about Grep, Sort, and tr, which are > > the utilities where the non-ASCII support should be a non-

Re: UTF-8 support for the ancient shell toys

2001-11-03 Thread Markus Kuhn
On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > ftp://ftp.ilog.fr/pub/Users/haible/utf8/Unicode-HOWTO-4.html > > This is still silent about Grep, Sort, and tr, which are > the utilities where the non-ASCII support should be a non-trivial > change. > > Basically, even after reading that page (which to

Re: encoding of /etc/passwd

2001-11-03 Thread Keld Jørn Simonsen
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:29:21AM +1100, Jim Breen wrote: > ["H. Peter Anvin" (Re: encoding of /etc/passwd) writes:] > >> By author:Markus Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Dom Lachowicz wrote: > >> > > Changing your locale to utf-8 will *not* for instance change the > >> >

Re[2]: encoding of /etc/passwd

2001-11-03 Thread Nerijus Baliunas
On 31 Oct 2001 09:49:21 -0800 "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HPA> > Global files such as /etc/*, /usr/include/*, etc. obviously *must* remain HPA> > in a locale invariant encoding. This is today ISO 646 IRV (US-ASCII). HPA> > Hopefully it will one day become UTF-8. ISO 8859-1 has no