Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-14 Thread Adam Agnew
I was looking at the 2.6.0-test2 kernel tree today and saw new menu choices under "General Setup -> Remove Kernel Features (for embedded systems)" which looks like the beginings of an effort to strip out large though somewhat optional features. For instance, the current choices include: Load all

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-07 Thread Jeff Noxon
I just built 2.6.0-test2 in 441kB with one IDE DMA driver and ext3. I have yet to try LinuxBIOS (waiting for some BIOS Saviors!), but it looks like I will be able to do quite a lot with my Tyan Tiger MPX (S2466N-4M) if I upgrade the BIOS chip to an 8mbit part. Doing anything useful with the 4mbit

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-07 Thread Ronald G. Minnich
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Joshua Wise wrote: > Ooh, I wish that existed in the 2.4.x tree... I am working on a 'linux as > bootldr' project for ARM (iPAQ specifically). Presently, our zImages are at > 480k, and we need to get them down to sub-256k (while still adding more > features!) Out of curiousi

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-07 Thread Joshua Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I was looking at the 2.6.0-test2 kernel tree today and saw new menu > choices under > > "General Setup -> Remove Kernel Features (for embedded systems)" which > looks like the beginings of an effort to strip out large though somewhat > optional featu

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-07 Thread steven james
Greetings, It might be useful to switch to ext2 so the journaling code can be dropped. In general, a bootloader mostly needs read only access anyway. Might also be interesting to see how much network/socket code can be chopped out of a kernel/bootloader. G'day, sjames On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Jeff

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-09 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Joshua Wise wrote: > Presently, the CLI is running as part of the kernel - not as a seperate > userland application (the reasoning being that we can use the kernel's driver > architecture - I have created a drivers/bootldr subdirectory for things like > that. for more, check

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-10 Thread Joshua Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > up until about 2.4.13, putting a kernel, small initrd, and linuxbios in > 512KB was not that hard. Then it just balloned. Ouch. Was there specific bloat that happened after 2.4.13? After doing a preliminary look over the kernel code, much of the bl

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-11 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Adam Agnew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was looking at the 2.6.0-test2 kernel tree today and saw new menu > choices under > > "General Setup -> Remove Kernel Features (for embedded systems)" which > looks like the beginings of an effort to strip out large though somewhat > optional features. F

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-12 Thread Joshua Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I'm interested. I assume this CLI is running as part of linux? Or is it > the pre-linux stuff? Presently, the CLI is running as part of the kernel - not as a seperate userland application (the reasoning being that we can use the kernel's driver ar

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-14 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Adam Agnew wrote: > It seems like pretty good news for the linux kernel as a bootloader route > that effots are being made to get the kernel smaller when necessary. good, because long term, that is still a preferred choice for me. ron

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-14 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Joshua Wise wrote: > Ouch. Was there specific bloat that happened after 2.4.13? After doing a > preliminary look over the kernel code, much of the bloat seems to be in the > filesystem code... the dentry cache was not a cheap date. But the bloat seems to happen everywhere,

Re: Kernel in smaller ROMs, salvation in sight?

2003-08-14 Thread Eric W. Biederman
ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Adam Agnew wrote: > > > It seems like pretty good news for the linux kernel as a bootloader route > > that effots are being made to get the kernel smaller when necessary. > > good, because long term, that is still a preferred choice f