Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 08:06:08PM +0200, Quux wrote: it is an empty plcc32 socket to flip over an soldered in flash chip. attached to the socket is a secondary flash mem and some circuitry to handle the chip enable signal, i.e. pull down the primary one and daisy chain the data/addr bus. I'd

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread David H. Barr
On 4/29/07, Peter Stuge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 08:06:08PM +0200, Quux wrote: it is an empty plcc32 socket to flip over an soldered in flash chip. attached to the socket is a secondary flash mem and some circuitry to handle the chip enable signal, i.e. pull down the

[LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Quux
David H. Barr schrieb: Probably a lot like the TiVo PROM back-to-back socket. Basically two plcc32 sockets soldered back to back with a few pin tweaks. Yet another variation on dead-roaching or piggy-backing a chip. tivo prom piggy should get you there as a search query. I've occasionally

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Quux
David H. Barr schrieb: I'd love to find out more about exactly how this is done. http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=donett=urlintl=1fr=bf-hometrurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffab51.com%2Fworkshop%2Fbios%2Fdual_bios1.html http://fab51.com/workshop/bios/dual_bios1.html in babelfish gives

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 01:38:44PM -0500, David H. Barr wrote: I'd love to find out more about exactly how this is done. Probably a lot like the TiVo PROM back-to-back socket. Basically two plcc32 sockets soldered back to back with a few pin tweaks. Yes, with a lot like and a few tweaks

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Vlad wrote: The OpenGraphics project (http://OpenGraphics.org, http://www.TraversalTech.com) has people with extensive knowledge in hardware manufacturing and a desire to create hardware with completely open specifications. While there's people like

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 10:33:57PM +0200, Quux wrote: I'd love to find out more about exactly how this is done. http://fab51.com/workshop/bios/dual_bios1.html in babelfish gives som insight. It looks like it would work with many different flash types. --Q This requires cutting a

[LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Quux
Peter Stuge schrieb: the tivo socket has no circuitry at all. Really? Is there a schematic somewhere? I also had to bl**dy register with the forum. Those two pdf's just show photo's, so for plain wiring no one bothered to draw any schematics seemingly. I guess it is pretty much

[LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Quux
David H. Barr schrieb: It may be very generic, but it's also apparently covered by patents no. 130648 and 177592 (I find no reference as to which country in which said patents are issued). I imagine similar problems may exist with TopHat. the tivo socket has no circuitry at all.

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 04:30:34PM -0500, David H. Barr wrote: Probably a lot like the TiVo PROM back-to-back socket. Basically two plcc32 sockets soldered back to back with a few pin tweaks. Yes, with a lot like and a few tweaks being the gaps I'd like to fill. :p I'm requesting

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Ward Vandewege
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 12:12:41AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: The big money win is when LinuxBIOS is the default and the other one is blank, then the board will cost $10-$15 less. (License fee Gigabyte pays for the Phoenix BIOS.) ? Are you saying the per-board royalty is *that* much? I thought

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Peter Stuge
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:31:53PM -0500, Bari Ari wrote: The #CE voltage is pulled high via a pull-up resistor to the VCC rail of the flash device. Yes, but is the pullup usually internally in the flash chip? The driving signal from the chipset is an open drain on an output buffer FET.

Re: [LinuxBIOS] ECS top hat flash - dual-bios-circuit useable elsewhere ?

2007-04-29 Thread Bari Ari
Peter Stuge wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:31:53PM -0500, Bari Ari wrote: The #CE voltage is pulled high via a pull-up resistor to the VCC rail of the flash device. Yes, but is the pullup usually internally in the flash chip? They usually have them but they aren't relied on. It is