Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Jeff Lasman
On Sunday 03 January 2010 08:20:02 pm David Kaiser wrote: > if i host a closed offtopic list - then it is still work on my part to > be able to guarantee for myself that no activities are taking place that > i am somehow liable for. i think person-to-person e-mail for offtopic > content is best.

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:18 PM, David Kaiser wrote: > 3) yes - we are trying to improve our public image. we used to work hard > to have meetings, offer educational value, insightful presentations on a > variety of subjects and from a number of guest speakers. now we have > food fights that are

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
I can and probably will expand a bit on what is off topic, but I think I have spelled out some of it clearly. In my mind, it is important is that it is of value to the group, and specifically related to linux, free/open source software, related technologies (anything from browsers to networks, the

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
I think when you decide to have a closed list, it is certainly as appropriate to just compose e-mails to each other that you want to send the private messages to. if i host a closed offtopic list - then it is still work on my part to be able to guarantee for myself that no activities are taking p

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
yes, I agree there needs to be more clarification. the thing is: windows is an operating system, it competes with open source operating systems, it runs open source software, sometimes you have to integrate it with other open or closed source systems from a network or systems design perspective -

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
I was either on the road, or in Corona or Riverside all day - so apologies for getting back home and to this e-mail so late. 1) yes - someone called me and in the conversation made comments like: "this is a food fight" and "why is this public?" 2) yes - I am the person of liability for the domai

Re: [LinuxUsers] community events participation

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Ragi Y. Burhum wrote: > Personally, I submitted a presentation proposal to SCALE as part of the > volunteer work I do for local OSGeo chapter (http://www.osgeo.org), but I > may have submitted it too late (the very last day at midnight). The title > was "How to Bu

[LinuxUsers] community events participation

2010-01-03 Thread Ragi Y. Burhum
Since it seems that we are "formalizing" socallinux.org, wouldn't it be nice if we actually engaged more in related community events? It is not uncommon to see local linux chapters in Web 2.0, Where 2.0, OSCON, SCALE and the like. Since SCALE is happening soon, why not present something? I remembe

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Peter Manis
My post on shortened urls was related to needing a restriction on content. It had nothing to do with banning shortened urls only that with questionable content not being explicitly banned there is a higher chance the content being linked to is of a questionable nature. The charter does not clearl

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Dino K wrote: > I second this, we could just theoretically add another mailling list to the > socallinux listserv, something like linuxusers-offtopic or > offto...@socallinux.org. > > Or even something as simple as gene...@socallinux.org > I would also suggest tel

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Dino K wrote: > I second this, we could just theoretically add another mailling list to the > socallinux listserv, something like linuxusers-offtopic or > offto...@socallinux.org. > > Or even something as simple as gene...@socallinux.org > Ditto. I would even pro

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Dino K
I second this, we could just theoretically add another mailling list to the socallinux listserv, something like linuxusers-offtopic or offto...@socallinux.org. Or even something as simple as gene...@socallinux.org Just my 2cents. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Roger E. Rustad, Jr. < roger.rus

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Jesus Noland
I don't know if this is a big thing but in Article 3 of the charter, the second sentence refers to accounts on the socallinux.org website. I know that people could make accounts before with the previous site but will  that feature come back? Just wondering so people don't get confused by that pa

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
On a somewhat serious note, it sounds like we need a separate "collision domain" where the soi-disant "asinine" chatter can flow a bit more freely. I'm totally cool with that, as this listserv is public facing. Set up back channels, and chances are that this list will improve its noise ratio. Re

Re: [LinuxUsers] backupify.com

2010-01-03 Thread Chris Penn
"Not open source" Not worth the time. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Roger E. Rustad, Jr. wrote: > Not open source (well, maybe on the backend or whatever), but FREE until Jan > 31. > > http://www.backupify.com/ > > backs up your gmail, twitter, delicious, etc. > >

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
I wanted to point out to everyone that I have enhanced some of the language in the charter. Please note the following: - Re-worded section 1 of Article 4. - Detailed requirements (last paragraph) of moderators. Please reply with any feedback on the Charter, it's goals and purpose, as well as th

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
Hi Everyone, Two days ago I posted some thoughts about improving the quality of contributions and protecting the definition of the group (see the referenced message below). There have been 22 replies to that message (not including this one). (Sadly predictably), only 4 messages were relevant an

Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - asking all members to read

2010-01-03 Thread Ragi Y. Burhum
GPL Hate? No! Last year I wore my GPLv3 shirt to SCALE all day!!! ;-) By the way, the charter calls is GNU/Linux... can we just call it Linux? j/k ha ha ha ha > From: Chris Penn > Subject: Re: [LinuxUsers] Creating a structure for SocalLinux.org - >asking all members to read > To: So

[LinuxUsers] backupify.com

2010-01-03 Thread Roger E. Rustad, Jr.
Not open source (well, maybe on the backend or whatever), but FREE until Jan 31. http://www.backupify.com/ backs up your gmail, twitter, delicious, etc. ___ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [LinuxUsers] Using Testsaslauthd

2010-01-03 Thread Jesus Noland
No problem, I will be available all throughout the week. Its been awhile since I've been on the irc chat though, what is the server that I am supposed to connect to? I am using socallinux.org and the channel #linuxusers but can't get connected.  Jesus NolandComputer Science StudentCal State Fu

Re: [LinuxUsers] Using Testsaslauthd

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
Hi Jesus, Sorry I won't be around to chat about sasl in IRC today, I am having to help a car-less friend get around, so I'm going to be on the road most of the day. I'll try to find time either this evening or later this week, and also I can do a write-up of what little I know about sasl and how I

Re: [LinuxUsers] Before you Leave the Country

2010-01-03 Thread David Kaiser
Maybe the issue with laptop protection isn't so much "before you leave the country", but should really be "before you let your laptop out of you direct control" (out of your possesion or visible range, etc.) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/us/politics/01tsa.html (Summary, blogger wrote about TSA