Re: Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-31 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Greg, On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Greg Skinner wrote: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I AM COMPLAINING THAT I DO NOT WANT TO REACH THESE ADDRESSES AND I DON`T WANT TO BE FORCED TO REACH THEM!!! [...] I am asking to have their misconfigured MTAs brought in line.

[IFWP] alleged Toy Level Domains (was: Public use of new gTLDs)

1999-03-31 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote: Nobody says you have to send me email. That's patently not what we are talking about. Greg is quite right, it's the use of Toy Level Domains in the envelope with the intent of FORCING other people to resolve those. If you do, my signature file

Re: Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-31 Thread William X. Walsh
On 31-Mar-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: I am asking to have their misconfigured MTAs brought in line. They can play with whatever they want. I just don't want to be bothered by their incompetence. It seems to me that the people who use alternative TLDs in the envelopes of their

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Jeff Williams
Roberto Gaetano wrote: Jay, You wrote (answering to Kent Crispin): Anyway, David had questioned the last line in the following paragraph: "The gTLD-MoU was controversial because it would have confiscated all generic Top Level Domains, not only from startups like IO Design (who

[IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders

1999-03-31 Thread Gordon Cook
I am glad to see this come out into the open after hearing about it privately from several attendees. http://www.internetnews.com/intl-news/article/0,1087,6_89431,00.html it is refreshing to see that ICANN's contempt for the internet extends off line as well as online. hans was a special hit

Re: Private Response to:Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-31 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 09:34 PM 3/30/99 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote: Perhaps you could tell us what more is needed to get "EVERYTHING right," as I am quite interested in knowing exactly what you mean. Actually, Richard and I have spoken about this quite some time ago. I have also mentioned it to Chris Ambler. A

Re: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders

1999-03-31 Thread Jeff Williams
Izumi, Gordon and all, Izumi AIZU wrote: Although I was one of the more vocal members among the APRICOT team of people, and I pointed out to Esther during the ICANN Press Conference in Singapore, that having a press conference without giving notice, at least, to the local organizer is not

Re: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders

1999-03-31 Thread Bob Allisat
Gordon Cook wrote: hans was a special hit apparently when he went screaming out of the room after dennis jennings Tell us more! I always knew poor, stuffy Hans would be prone to going ballistic. Sounds like another amusing story in an already hilarious melodrama! More! More! Bob

[IFWP] New Health Domain Zone

1999-03-31 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
I began to get email last night from healtcare professionals inquiring about this new domain zone. Sure enough, the Republic of Moldova (MD3-DOM) has apparently transferred responsibility of the .MD zone to a Bonita Springs FL company, Domain Name Trust, Inc. Info is available at:

Re: [IFWP] alleged Toy Level Domains (was: Public use of new gTLDs)

1999-03-31 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 07:33 AM 3/31/99 +0200, you wrote: On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote: Nobody says you have to send me email. That's patently not what we are talking about. I guess I don't understand then. How does my use of [EMAIL PROTECTED] affect you if you don't accidentally try to send

RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread David Schutt
..per, a source of domain name to IP address resolution *service*. What is domain name resolution service? Computers connected to the Internet that will answer a question (query). How is the source of this service identified? Why, as .per, of course. Seems pretty straight forward to me. D

[IFWP] Re: [Fwd: Draft Poisson minutes]

1999-03-31 Thread Kerry Miller
It would be even nicer if their mailer understood ASCII -- or if mail forwarders first looked it over and reformatted as necessary. BTW, XML is not equivalent to Word. Anti-MS bias is a red herring. kerry == X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Kent Crispin
On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 02:16:15AM -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: [...] The use of the terms "own", "property rights", and so on have always been problematic in this context. The terms may have precise legal definitions, but those precise legal definitions have not yet come to terms with domain

RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 08:43 AM 3/31/99 -0600, you wrote: ..per, a source of domain name to IP address resolution *service*. What is domain name resolution service? Computers connected to the Internet that will answer a question (query). How is the source of this service identified? Why, as .per, of course. Seems

RE: [IFWP] alleged Toy Level Domains (was: Public use of new gTLDs)

1999-03-31 Thread Marsh, Miles (Gene)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. Lisse, I am puzzled as to why an alternative approach would discombobulate (confuse) you to such an extent. If you choose to conform, then conform and leave the innovation to those with vision. Gene Marsh Diebold Incorporated - -Original

RE: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Marsh, Miles (Gene)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This sounds like a bit of a closed approach to me. Gene Marsh Diebold Incorporated - -Original Message- From: Richard J. Sexton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [IFWP]

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Goods or Services?

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
At 12:49 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: At 11:49 AM 3/31/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: Or at least competing registrars. While I realize that the entrepreneurial blood wants everybody and his maiden aunt to become a registry, for heaven only knows what gimmickry, GRIN Gimmicks, widgets, doo-dads,

[IFWP] CONTEST! CONTEST!

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
At 12:49 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: I don't see any need for more than one "entry ledger" -- registry -- and let the competition flourish at the registrar level. he he Only if the registrar can qualify. Ah, a little less flippantly now, here's a splendid exercise, which I know will be met

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Bob Allisat
Kent Crispin writes: (*) The MoU failed because the competing interests refused to be balanced, and caused the USG to get involved. This remains true with ICANN -- ICANN will only succeed because the USG has sufficient power to force a resolution. Greg Skinner replies: + Hmmm. What power

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Kent Crispin
On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 03:40:38PM -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 12:22:38PM -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Hmmm. What power does the USG have to prevent people from using alternative TLDs? None whatsoever. What keeps people

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 12:22 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) The MoU failed because the competing interests refused to be balanced, and caused the USG to get involved. This remains true with ICANN -- ICANN will only succeed because the USG has sufficient power to

Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-31 Thread Greg Skinner
"Roeland M.J. Meyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am saying that the mail system, when confronted by a destination address it doesn't know, should forward the message to a relay that may know better what to do with the message. This algorithm was worked out over 15 years ago, in fidonet

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
At 09:41 AM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: And now an interesting question: registries and domain names aside, do I own that IP? Those friggin' NUMBERS? That one little segment of the whole WORLD WIDE WEB? I don't think so. So from WHERE did Iperdome get the range of IP numbers that it is so

[IFWP] NSI not Net Police

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
Now here's a real kick: http://www.lawnewsnet.com/stories/A385-1999Mar30.html NSI says it's not the net police, but that sure has not stopped it from screwing up a lot of domain name registrants. Bill Lovell

Re: [IFWP] Re: Public use of new gTLDs

1999-03-31 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 05:23 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am saying that the mail system, when confronted by a destination address it doesn't know, should forward the message to a relay that may know better what to do with the message. This algorithm

[IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread David Schutt
Well, if it were me, I would want to avoid being accused of fraud for trying to sell a character string, so I'd go with the "I'll provide a service for a fee". D Schutt At 08:43 AM 3/31/99 -0600, you wrote: ..per, a source of domain name to IP address resolution *service*. What is domain

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
At 02:11 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: The songbird sings a sweet tune. Much of the cordial blather being exchanged between me and a few others disappears when it is made clear, as I believe Roeland ultimately has done, and as the songbird now sings, that all the hassle has been over

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Bill Lovell
At 03:40 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: And I'll second all of this as well. (Not that anyone cares, I'm sure, but I think the exchange has squeezed out the real meaning of what most of the various people not addicted to profanity and bashing for bashing's sake have been saying.) Bill Lovell

Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 06:23 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: At 04:52 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: At 12:22 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) The MoU failed because the competing interests refused to be balanced, and caused the USG to get involved. This remains

(Special attention Michael Palage)Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: Power Politics and the New Internet Order

1999-03-31 Thread Jeff Williams
Roeland, Bill and all, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: At 06:23 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: At 04:52 PM 3/31/99 -0800, you wrote: At 12:22 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote: Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) The MoU failed because the competing interests refused to be