Q3 Quotes file: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:40:30 -0700 From: Jon Postel Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISOC Statement on Domain Name Fees Rick: I think this introduction of charging by the Intenic for domain registrations is sufficient cause to take steps to set up a small number of alternate top level domains managed by other registration centers. I'd like to see some competition between registration services to encourage good service at low prices. I do think we need to proceed with some care, to understand what are the requirements and responsibilities of these service centers, what informatrion they have to provide to the community, what oversight they are subject to and by whom, etc. I'd be happy if you could help me come up with a plan for this. --jon ==================================================================== From: "Diane M Boling" Subject: Re: problem with mx Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:31:38 -0500 Sorry to hear about Postel losing funding. NOT... At Your Name Service, Diane M Boling [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==================================================================== Subject: Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund Date: 1997/11/25 Message-ID: <l03020903b0a049195fd7@[209.90.136.19]> Newsgroups: cbc.cis.nanog At 6:42 PM -0800 11/24/97, Paul A Vixie wrote: >How much do I have to pay to keep him in jail forever? ==================================================================== From: Bob Allisat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Life Behind The Scenes The fact that the USG dumped CORE is the worst kept secret since the "Where's Eugene" game! ==================================================================== From: Einar Stefferud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone who believes they already have all the answers to the DNS problem is probably not well informed about the realities of life on this planet. ==================================================================== >From <guy-in-charge@big-computer-company-name-withheld-by-request>: <bigcompany> doesn't see that IAHC has anything to do with Internet. They see it as being about corporate relationships and alliances. In other words, what matters is not what IAHC does or says, but rather what other companies see <bigcompany> as doing. ==================================================================== From: Nathaniel Borenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Excerpts from mail: 14-Oct-97 Re: DNS Panic attacks "Richard J. Sexton"@ns1. (5232*) > I guess Jon feels he's protecting us (the net) from the forces > of darkness, which makes me ask, "great, but who protects > us from Jon Postel?" I mean if Postel went postal, as in > right round the bend crackers, what happens then? Does > anybody else have visions of Vixie walking around with his > underwear on the outside because IANA said so ? :-) I'd somehow managed not to have those particular visions, but now I'm sure they'll haunt me until my dying day. An ugly sight. Thanks a lot. :-) -- Nathaniel -------- "To believe in synchronicity is to believe in the ability of the universe, on rare occasions, to spontaneously generate goodness, beauty, and joy." Nathaniel Borenstein | FAQ & PGP key: Chief Scientist, First Virtual Holdings | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==================================================================== From: Patricia O Tuama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:58:47 -0600 (CST) .shop ? .firm? just who thought up the seven new domains? ==================================================================== From: "John F. Woods" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I thought the seven new domains were .happy, .sleepy, .grumpy, ... ==================================================================== From: Dave Crocker Poof. It was the scumbags on the IAHC, not CORE, who chose the names. ==================================================================== From: Eugene Kashpureff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are we having fun yet ? ==================================================================== From: "vinton g. cerf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hope a critical mass of willingness will emerge in short order. ==================================================================== From: Brian Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Richard J. Sexton" But you can't spell to save your life. ==================================================================== From: Tressa Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crocker? He's backpeddling so fast he's gonna pass himself in 1997. ==================================================================== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:58:01 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: majordomo set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Welcome to iahc-discuss Welcome to the iahc-discuss mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]": unsubscribe iahc-discuss "Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ==================================================================== From: Einar Stefferud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:22:44 -0800 "CORE joins eDNS and Alternic!" Sheeeeesh;-)...\Stef ==================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:15:53 -0800 From: Kent Crispin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As of this moment NSI is effectively a not-for-profit registry. ==================================================================== From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Manning) >From my limited understanding, Jon does not eat sushi... ==================================================================== From: Bob Allisat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sure I'm a team player. I just havn't found my team yet. ==================================================================== From: Vint Cerf I remember IANA. ==================================================================== From: jeff Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: INEGroup INC. To: IFWP Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim Dixon wrote: Artificial persons Jim? Are you joking? Please define what an artificial person is. In detail if you please... ==================================================================== From: Simon Higgs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) And on the original topic, and speaking personally as an ordinary .MIL user, I think you're going to have an impossible time trying to usurp control over any privately held TLD. Especially one with nukes. ==================================================================== >From Karl Aurbach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Just like cockroaches, expenses multiply when the lights are out. ==================================================================== From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) Oh spare us Rhonda. Are you still on this diatribe? ==================================================================== From: Don Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Huh? What is this? ==================================================================== From: Don Mitchell The first order of business for any organization is self-preservation. ==================================================================== From: A. Michael Froomkin How is it that somehow ICANN has made me feel stirrings of sympathy for NSI for the first time in my life? ==================================================================== From: Gregory D. Phillips, Howard, Phillips & Andersen In Porsche's view, the WIPO Final Report does not go far enough in protecting world famous trademarks. ==================================================================== From: Peter Deutsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Wow, this stuff just keeps repeating like a raw onion. ==================================================================== From: Mikki Barry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) As has been said a multitude of times, current civil law takes care of "cybersquatting." The DNS works equally well if McDonalds.com maps to a sheep farmer in Scottland. ==================================================================== From: "Bret A. Fausett" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Regardless, I would never trust a company with a spinning, animated GIF as its logo. ==================================================================== From: Dave Crocker Generic desire for free-market operation is fine. Real-world constraints don't permit unfettered operation. ==================================================================== From: Tony Rutkowski It's time to give Esther, Twomey, Javier and friends a hug and pull the plug on life support. They led a brief but heady existence, constantly intoxicated on the power of Internet governance, and a lavish lifestyle supported by the ICANN tax. They were truly legends in their own minds. They will live on in the history book of broken things...and IBM commercials. ==================================================================== >From Jim Fleming: Now that we see that the ICANN process will clearly be a repeat of the IAHC CORE process it is time to focus on the future more than the past. (i.e. we know how that story turns out...why watch it again ?) ==================================================================== On Monday, May 18, 1998 3:22 AM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, that he has a specific goal in his provocateur activities and that he is likely being paid to do this by the U.S. telco industry. His goal is to discredit the Internet governance infrastructure in order to manipulate the U.S. government into creating an FCC-like regulatory infrastructure for the Internet. The U.S. telcos (and indeed national PTTs the world over) like this sort of structure because they know that, with it they can control the Internet by the same sorts of political manoeuverings they have perfected over the past several generations. ==================================================================== Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Paul A Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'll go on record as saying that the IPv6 DNS model is too complicated and is likely to decrease robustness for the first few years after it's rolled out. But it's the standard, and god dammit if we're going to do that much work then I want to see the address allocation policies reflect this functionality. ==================================================================== "I don't think we should hand out domains with generic names, I mean some guy has patents.com and that's just not right." - Jon Cohen, DNSO TM Chair At the Industry Canada Domain and Trademark Workshop, Ottawa 1997 ==================================================================== Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Auerbach Of course, one can apologize all day long that ICANN needs to be so closed and needs to be so unresponsive. And I'd understand completely. I'd be embarrassed to be known as one who allowed Jones Day to run up half a million dollars in bills (for, among other things, writing ambigious corporate documents) and have a high-priced, abrasive CEO who obviously has no experience in doing anything on less than a royal budget and who needs ten officers and executives to manage four employees. ==================================================================== From: "David J. Steele" Subject: [bwg-n-friends] Resolving .web TLDs I did it too... It was easy. So, for what its worth, the server hosting this list will resolve .web TLDs. ==================================================================== From: Jim Fleming I predict that ICANN will be accused of becoming an "Internet Government" like you have done....and then...ICANN will throw up their hands in a fit of disgust and become an IPO-based, Multi-Level-Marketing (MLM) empire faster than you can say...."Amway".... ==================================================================== >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:54:14 -0400 >From: Michael Sondow >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [IFWP] Conspiracy theories. > >Kent Crispin wrote: > > > > It is the evidence of pervasive deception: fake businesses, fake > > organizations, fake email addresses, fake names, fake people. > >You mean like Javier Sola's "European Internet Business >Association"? Or like CORE itself, incorporated illegally in >Switzerland and guilty of violating the U.S. antitrust laws, the >Foreign Agent Registration Act, and its own Articles? > >Or are you referring to ICANN itself? ==================================================================== "This has got to stop, this is crazy!" -- Dennis Jennings on the DNSO ==================================================================== From: Jim Dixon To meet calls for openness they hold rigged meetings around the world, an itinerant mockery of us all. In Berlin, in Singapore, in Santiago sycophants and bureaucrats, clowns and the power-mad, all the classic enemies of the Internet dance for their favour. It's hard to remember that this circus was supposed to replace IANA. ==================================================================== From: Mikki Barry How copyright can be included in domain name issues and individual domain name holders excluded is beyond me. ==================================================================== Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:43:53 -0400 From: Milton Mueller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Get used to it, maggots: "ICANN's new Board members will be Jon Cohen, Amadeu "Zippy" Abril, and Nii Quaynor" ==================================================================== From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:28:36 -0500 I wouldn't have a problem with the fact that Justice is blind if it wasn't for the fact that all the guide dogs are lawyers. (I stole that, so don't quote me) ==================================================================== Yesturday the General Assembly of the DNSO of ICANN was witness to a mass exodus of support with the resignations of Karl Auerbach, Mikki Barry, Milton Mueller, Davis Steele, Christopher Ambler, and Ellen Rony. I would like to recognize these actions as a confirmation of the effective leadership skills of the Chair and Alternate Chair of the GA in building consesus. God bless the GA and all who would sink in her. Regards Joe Baptista ==================================================================== Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. - Mark Crispin ==================================================================== From: Milton Mueller A political squabble between a Brit named "Nigel" and a group of former mutineers with all the same last names, over control of a TLD on a tiny island in the middle of the ocean with no Internet access. Is this a lost episode of Monty Python or what? ==================================================================== From: Michael Graff If you're not part of the IETF, you're insane. ==================================================================== From: Miguel Cruz At least Network Solutions never spammed this newsgroup with stupid ads. ==================================================================== From: Brian Reid The Internet is about consensus, not truth. Never mistake truth for consensus. ==================================================================== From: Jay O'Brien What is even more depressing, is it is "consensus of those present", not necessarily concensus of all who are involved. ==================================================================== From: Barry Margolin RFC 2317 requires *both* the ISP and the organization hosting your reverse domain to have a clue. ==================================================================== From: Ellen Rony Asking for a working system is not at all the same as asking the original board members to stick around. Some of us believe ICANN is more likely to get a workable system if they would leave, like immediately. ==================================================================== From: Mitchel Ahern Good -- I can feel your anger. Feel the power of the Dark Side . . . ==================================================================== From: Ellen Rony As I read these UDRP decisions, they are anything but "uniform". ==================================================================== From: Jim Fleming The problem with the DNS hierarchical organizaion is we all know we fit somewhere, but the problem is we all chafe at being subordinate. ==================================================================== >From Greg Skinner: It's possible that introduction of TLDs into the root zone might require international treaties. ==================================================================== From: Michael D. Palage, Esq. The trademark lobby must be placated because of its potential ability and inclination to bankrupt new registrars and wreck havoc on their registrant databases. ==================================================================== From: John Berryhill I'm sure I remember something about an objective of ICANN having something to do with providing for competitive market forces in the domain name market. Having 40 different brands of vanilla is hardly how a real market works. ==================================================================== From: Craig Simon Maybe .gb will be in demand once everything converges on gameboy. ==================================================================== From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." The platform of the future will be the mind. After that, it will be the spirit. And then, the platform will simply be. (in the meantime, the platform will be anything capable of displaying nude women and/or Pokemon, but not at the same time) ==================================================================== Michael D. Palage Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: [WG-B] Report on Sunrise Provision I am trying to make sure that I get all the dissents incorporated into the Appendix of the report. The report will be posted shortly. From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" Aren't you the dissent by now? ==================================================================== From: Karl Auerbach > The Names Council recognizes that any roll-out must not > jeopardize the stability of the Internet. I'd bet that the Names Council couldn't figure out how to destabilize the internet even if we gave 'em console logins and enable passwords for all the routers at all the exchange points. Remember, the net was designed to survive nuclear holocast. ==================================================================== The trademark lobby must be placated because of its potential ability and inclination to bankrupt new registrars and wreck havoc on their registrant databases. Michael Palage, Chair Working Group B, at January 6, 2000 SBA Office of Advocacy Roundtable on Internet Domain Names ==================================================================== From: Michael Graham: Only speculators and wild fans/critics have a need for domain names which incorporate other persons'/companies' trademarks. ==================================================================== From: John Berryhill Subject: Trademark confusion in domain names Your faucet may say "Delta," but you don't ask your sink, "When's the next flight?" ==================================================================== From: John Berryhill Subject: soloinsurance.com Hey, this is more fun than arguing with da Silva about newsgroup names. ==================================================================== From: "A.M. Rutkowski" Subject: ICANN and its Tinker Bell personalities Let's say that I find the scope, comprehension and level of analysis of Berkeman and others dabbling in Internet Governance to be rather disappointing. But what the hell, it's a pop culture. ==================================================================== From: Patrick Corliss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Crocker I joined this list without knowing anybody on it. It didn't take me long to come to the conclusion that you are the worst kind of hypocrite it has been my misfortune to come across. ==================================================================== From: Patrick Corliss When the battle's over, Dave Crocker comes in to bayonet the wounded. ==================================================================== From: Karl Auerbach Until the ICANN board can articulate specific fears about "Internet stability" I will continue to assert that they are being children who think there are monsters under their beds. ==================================================================== From: John Berryhill ...but I let my sister talk me into watching an episode of this show where they put a bunch of people on an island south of Borneo, for real, and then subject them to various psychological manipulations while they are trying to survive. No, no, no, I'm not talking about the ICANN meeting, I'm talking about a TV program. ==================================================================== "We'll take money from anybody" - Ken Stubbs, at the Yokahama ICANN meeting. ==================================================================== From: Milton Mueller syr.edu is not "guessable." But if you tell me you're going to take away "syr.edu" and give me "67th.oir" I will tell you to get bent. That's the difference between a mnemonic and guessability. ==================================================================== From: Jay Subject: [DOMAIN-POLICY] RIP to internic.net Rest In Peace, Internic.net! ==================================================================== From: Andy Gardner Dave Crocker's comedy background shows it's face. "ICANN is trying to treat folks equally" Someone better put that on a quote page somewhere. ==================================================================== From: "Francis Gurry" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I do not have a specific public case of reverse domain name highjacking to which I can refer you, but I do know, from confidential approaches made to me by a number of different persons, that reverse domain name highjacking does exist and that some persons acting in good faith have been the subject of unfair attacks. ==================================================================== From: "Bret A. Fausett" Amusing sentence from the new TLD application instructions: To assist the ICANN staff in handling applications, we would appreciate notification by e-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) when sending an application that exceeds 30 kilograms (66 pounds). ==================================================================== >From Brett Fausett and Richard Sexton: The Tata Sons guys were plotters, who feared they were victims of squatters, so to WIPO they bitched Bodacious-Tatas was ditched For showing their bodacious daughters ==================================================================== >From Craig Simon and Richard Sexton: The UDRP needs exhibits, That compare domains with big-tits. Meanings profound, Versus lovely and round. Shows clearly WIPO are half-wits ==================================================================== From: "John Berryhill Ph.D. J.D." Richard, We've hit the critical juncture at which domain policy discussions are indistinguishable from talk.bizarre. ==================================================================== From: Brett Fausset > A screwup would be too embarrassing. You mean like the link from "Lyman Chapin" on the Nominee page (http://members.icann.org/nominees.html) that takes you to Donald N. Langenberg's platform? That kind of thing? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 These are the days in which even the mildly critical individual is likely to seem like a lion in contrast with the general mood... when the man of controversy is looked upon as a disturbing influence; when originality is taken as a sign of instability; and when... the bland lead the bland. -- John Kenneth Galbraith