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2006-06-14 Thread sharron
The thread concerning triangles and the link to Eric Meyers slant page has reminded me of a test I tried myself about a year ago. Eric Meyers curves and such inspired my test back then. However I still have not managed to make it work in any browser except IE. Anyone want to hazard peek here

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Germ wrote: png8 It means 8 bit PNG. Like GIF, it uses a palette to store the colours. Whereas PNG24 (24 bit PNG) uses 8 bits per colour (RGB). PNG32 (an alias, used by Fireworks, for PNG-24 + transparency.) uses an extra 8 bits for alpha transparency. PNG8 supports index transparenc

[WSG] Web Developer Extension for Netscape

2006-06-14 Thread Bojana Lalic
Hi all   Is there a web developer extension for Netscape? I am after the edit CSS option J   Thanks   Bojana Global Summit 2006: Technology Connected Futures -- 17-19 October, Sydney, Australia.  Visit our website h

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread David Laakso
Germ wrote: Im starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i can code it or would I have to use a graphic??? I dont really want to use graphics as code is faster to upload et

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Germ
png8i also thought it wuld be bifty n be good for my pride if it was possible, think i will just stick to graphics and code...On 6/15/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Germ wrote:> Im starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the> first prototype/ screnshot

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Germ wrote: Im starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i can code it or would I have to use a graphic??? You should probably just use an image image, as the box model only

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Germ
I'd suggest a graphic - a GIF for the triangular piece wouldn't need to be more than a few hundred bytes. OK cool, I will do that then. I just thought if we can do rounded corners and all this other fancy stuff why not be able to do triangles etc Before starting a starting a web and graphics compan

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 15/06/06, Germ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HelloIm sorry if this question may seem silly or strange, so if it does please humour meIm starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Lachlan Hardy
On 6/15/06, Germ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HelloIm sorry if this question may seem silly or strange, so if it does please humour meIm starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i c

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Mathew Patterson
You *might* be able to hack something like this uphttp://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/css/slopesbut it would not be worthwhile when you could just usea simple background image. The file size of that image wouldbe miniscule.Mathewhttp://www.signal7.com.auhttp://designersinhouse.comOn 15/06/2006,

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread del usr
It does circles too :)Before starting a starting a web and graphics company spend 1 - 2 years getting a little experiance.PS Im not trying to be a smart ass. Just trying to save your first clients some money. On 6/15/06, Germ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HelloIm sorry if this question may seem silly

Re: [WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Doc
Germ,You can define polygons in Flash or SVG, but not an HTML div - those are all block (literally) level elements of rectangular shape. I'd suggest a graphic - a GIF for the triangular piece wouldn't need to be more than a few hundred bytes. SteveOn 15/06/06, Germ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Im sta

[WSG] Can Divs be a triangle shape?

2006-06-14 Thread Germ
HelloIm sorry if this question may seem silly or strange, so if it does please humour meIm starting a web and graphics company with my mate and he has given me the first prototype/ screnshot for our webpage and he has this triangle which Im curious if i can code it or would I have to use a graphic?

Re: [WSG] Jumping content in Firefox

2006-06-14 Thread Mark Sheppard
It's the lack of the scroll bar in Firefox when the content doesn't go past the bottom of the page. It's only there when needed. You could keep it there all the time with: html { height:100%; margin-bottom:1px; } You'll have a 1 pixel amount of scroll on all pages. Not elegant, but it works.

[WSG] Jumping content in Firefox

2006-06-14 Thread Taco Fleur
Hello all,   Does anyone know why my content jumps in Firefox and not Internet Explorer? The website is on http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/ When going from page to page the content jumps in Firefox which is very annoying and I know the client will complain about it. Any pointers would

[WSG] Winner! OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Thanks to all for their suggestions regarding my issue. Georg, however DID solved the issue nicely - and without the need for IE CC's - with his explanation below. His instruction about adding an empty comment to each of the two divs in quested eliminated the problem by 80%; when I completed his

Re: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin wrote: So, so-far, IE CC is the way I'll go unless someone can say: "Hey Cole, this is what you're doing wrong with your css. Do ***this*** and it'll be fixed without the need to use IE CC" :-) I just did. Covering up for one of IE's many whitespace bugs is *not* necessary, whe

Re: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Matt Fitzwater
why not solve it by adding a surrounding div#nav_footer and the #content_footer , I think it's your only option with ie? IE bites. Cole Kuryakin wrote: Thanks Paul. I'll take a look. I try to stay away from hacks as much as possible, but I'll give it a look. Thanks for the link. Cole -O

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Richard Czeiger
I just like the look of camelCase - it's easier to read and (as pointed out) it can be applied to most languages. But really consistency is the key... R ;o) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstanda

RE: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Thanks Paul. I'll take a look. I try to stay away from hacks as much as possible, but I'll give it a look. Thanks for the link. Cole -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:41 AM To: wsg@web

RE: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Del –   I have tried IE CC, and it does work for my purposes. Thanks for weighing in. I was really wondering if I was doing something wrong in the CSS to cause this, or if it’s just the nature of the beast (IE) that’s causing the problem.   So, so-far, IE CC is the way I’ll go unless so

RE: [WSG] New design and safari - neurotic

2006-06-14 Thread Rachel May
Just a separate comment on the design... I know I'm a minority but I am on a 24 inch monitor - 1920 * 1200 resolution - and the layout kinda breaks... The background image isn't wide enough and sits way off to the right; the content is way at the top; and the navigation is way at the bottom left

Re: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin wrote: http://www.x7m.us/_problems/problem.htm Layout displays as per spec in FF, Netscape, Opera. But look at it in IE and you'll see the y-repeated background in both the #nav_bar and #content divs are increasing the height of the wrapper by about 3px. IE/win doesn't see "emp

RE: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Bennett
>conditional comments couldn't you use Tanta's box-model hack to serve Yes that was originally 'Tantek' - stoopid spellcheck ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin Futter
Title: Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements On 15/6/06 11:13 AM, "James Laugesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oooo very cool. Is the last 'a' pronounced long or short? On 15/06/06, Kevin Futter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]   > wrote: On 15/6/06 10:43 AM, "Adam Burmister (DSL AK)" < [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi Cole, I dunno if I can SOLVE it (and I see the problem in IE), but instead of conditional comments couldn't you use Tanta's box-model hack to serve the bottom negative margin to IE? http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html I know it's still a hack, but due to the discrepancies bet

Re: [WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread del usr
Have you tried conditional comments??Place this in the head section of your code and change the div_name to whatever it should be.More info:http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.htmlOn 6/15/06, Cole Kuryakin < [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Title: Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements Well, the french way of pronouncing that would be ‘Pascaarl’ with the emphasis on the 2nd syllable ... :) Nice name! On 15/6/06 11:13 AM, "James Laugesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oooo very cool. Is the last 'a' pronounced long or short?

[WSG] OT - but really need help

2006-06-14 Thread Cole Kuryakin
I know this type of question is off topic for this list, but I've almost pulled the last of my hairs out over this problem. If anyone can help me solve it, I'd be VERY greatful. Here's the link: http://www.x7m.us/_problems/problem.htm Layout displays as per spec in FF, Netscape, Opera. But look

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread James Laugesen
Oooo very cool.Is the last 'a' pronounced long or short?On 15/06/06, Kevin Futter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On 15/6/06 10:43 AM, "Adam Burmister (DSL AK)" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PascalCase is a very odd name for a girl, isn't it?   Yes it is, which is why we decided to drop the 'Case'.

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
David Dixon wrote: The only advice I can really give is be consistent, or you'll just end up confusing not just yourself, but anyone else who has to look through your code. I would recommend that one of the following would be most useful (for popularity, and understandability): PascalCase -

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin Futter
Title: Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements On 15/6/06 10:43 AM, "Adam Burmister (DSL AK)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PascalCase is a very odd name for a girl, isn’t it?   Yes it is, which is why we decided to drop the ‘Case’. Pascal is a boy’s name in French and means ‘passover’ in Heb

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread James Laugesen
Adam said:PascalCase is a very odd name for a girl, isn't it?I was thinking the same thing, hahah.Just think of all the trouble she'll have with people miss-casing her name =8-)On 15/06/06, Adam Burmister (DSL AK) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PascalCase is a very odd name for a gi

RE: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
Title: Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements PascalCase is a very odd name for a girl, isn’t it?   From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Futter Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:25 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Kevin Futter
Title: Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements On 14/6/06 1:56 PM, "James Laugesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: LOL hahah I stand corrected, thanks Kevin =8-) So I use PascalCase for classes and camelCase for ID's. PS For a bit of a giggle; when I first read your reply I thought ", no

RE: [WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online

2006-06-14 Thread Steven . Faulkner
>Hey great! >Um Where can we sign up? see my next post [WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online (with links this time!!) with regards Steve |-+-> | | "Paul Bennett"| | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]| |

Re: [WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online (with links this time!!)

2006-06-14 Thread Steven . Faulkner
Sorry forgot the links :-(( Accessible Content magazine[http://www.accessiblecontent.com/index.php?view=home] Is a print magazine available free to subscribers (you need to pay for mailing costs) Online versions of the magazine are available to subscribers as soon as the print version is

RE: [WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Bennett
Hey great! Um Where can we sign up? -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online

[WSG] Accessible Content magazine - available online

2006-06-14 Thread Steven . Faulkner

Re: [WSG] Webstock conference recordings

2006-06-14 Thread Darren Wood
On 6/15/06, Mike Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We now have all the recordings made at the recent Webstock conference available from the site. Excellent! Good work Mike! Now I can relive the goodness! :-D D ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread James Laugesen
PascalCase for classes allows for "variables" (or ID's in this case) of the same name.Hungarian Notation is a curse IMO, only of a bit of use in losely typed languages... but even still your member names should be descriptive enough to make it blatently obvious what datatype it would be (relative t

Re: [WSG] Webstock conference recordings

2006-06-14 Thread Mathew Patterson
Great stuff Mike, It is heartening to see web conferences actually walking the walk and using the web to extend their reach. Congratulations. Mathew Patterson http://www.signal7.com.au http://www.deignersinhouse.com On 15/06/2006, at 8:35 AM, Mike Brown wrote: Hi everyone We now have all the

[WSG] Webstock conference recordings

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Brown
Hi everyone We now have all the recordings made at the recent Webstock conference available from the site. There's a wealth of wonderful stuff there, including Doug Bowman on a common structure for webpages, Ben Goodger on Firefox and Tony Chor on IE7. The Darren Fittler presentation - using the

RE: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
> So I use PascalCase for classes and camelCase for ID's. What's the benefits of using PascalCase for classes? It's not as if you don't know which is which, "id=" and "class=" are pretty apparent. I'd say camelCase for sure. But I have been brought up on C, C++, Java, and I still insist on it in

Re: [WSG] Question about naming CSS elements

2006-06-14 Thread David Dixon
I don't think you will ever find a unified agreement on the way naming conventions are used. Even after a couple of replies, you can clearly see that even people promoting web standards can use different styles. The only advice I can really give is be consistent, or you'll just end up confusin

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Foskett
Hey Jon, You are missing the point I think: "All of the form controls use explicit LABELs so that there is no need for a screen reader to go into TITLE or TABLE reading mode to hear the label when a control gets focus." The adding of a title to the whole form means that every untitled elem

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-14 Thread michael.brockington
Jon, If you read that spec yourself you will see: "To associate a label with another control implicitly, the control element must be within the contents of the LABEL element." However that is the HTML4 spec of what is valid, not the WCAG spec for what is advisable (which I have quoted before) an

Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-14 Thread Jon Gunderson
Michael, You may also want to check the W3C specifications on the use of the LABEL element: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#edef-LABEL   There is no concept in the specification of implicit relationship between a LABEL element being "next to" a form control.  You need to use the FOR

Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-14 Thread Jon Gunderson
On 6/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Jon,I think you mis-understand me, most of your form controls do have a label, just not properly used. What you are calling 'encapsulation' does not work in IE, as another member pointed out after me; the association with the form element i

Re: [WSG] New design and safari - neurotic

2006-06-14 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/06/14 10:17 (GMT+0200) Carlos Rincon Sanchez apparently typed: > we have redesign our web http://www.neuroticweb.com/ > Someone tell us the web doesn't show well in safari (when you go to > section menu the content goes down) > Anyone knows why this happen? You can see Safari for yourself

RE: [WSG] Display Inline Problem

2006-06-14 Thread michael.brockington
This looks to be working okay in IE6 on XP except for note number three, which is failing to overlay the text of the following paragraph, making it virtually unreadable. (Screen shot attached) Mike -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Paula Petrik Sent:

Re: [WSG] New design - safari bug and Opinions

2006-06-14 Thread Carlos Rincon Sanchez
El mié, 14-06-2006 a las 11:44 +0200, David Storey escribió: > I can reproduce this in Safari 2.0.3 but it works in the latest nightly > builds of WebKit, so you clearly hit a WebKit bug. In a future release of > Safari it will work but if you want it to work in the current release > you'll

Re: [WSG] using html elements on javascript

2006-06-14 Thread James Laugesen
Sorry Al,You'd use it like:safeEmailBold("james.laugesen", "gmail.com", "LAUGESEN, ", "James");Notice the 4 values, 1 per parameter of that function... So "LAUGESEN, " is what you want to be bold, and "James" is the non-bold.Also I think it'd be worth a couple of hours of your time to just play thr

Re: [WSG] who's going to the @media conference

2006-06-14 Thread David Storey
I'll be going along with two of our Web Developers from Opera. I work on Open the Web at Opera, so if anyone has any issues in our browsers or need help on getting your sites working on Mobile browsers or the Nintendo DS and Wii then feel free to come up to me and introduce yourselves or e-m

Re: [WSG] New design and safari

2006-06-14 Thread David Storey
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:16:12 +0200, Carlos Rincon Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: El mié, 14-06-2006 a las 10:50 +0200, David Storey escribió: This works fine in Safari 2.0.3 (and Opera) for me. Do you mean the sign post menu at the bottom left of the screen? Sorry, the problem is in

RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - Columnar and Grid Does anyone have an example of some accessible forms

2006-06-14 Thread michael.brockington
Jon, I think you mis-understand me, most of your form controls do have a label, just not properly used. What you are calling 'encapsulation' does not work in IE, as another member pointed out after me; the association with the form element is due only to proximity, so is merely 'implicit'. Som

Re: [WSG] New design and safari

2006-06-14 Thread Carlos Rincon Sanchez
El mié, 14-06-2006 a las 10:50 +0200, David Storey escribió: > This works fine in Safari 2.0.3 (and Opera) for me. Do you mean the sign > post menu at the bottom left of the screen? Sorry, the problem is in internal pages (the menú with the tabs). > -- Carlos Rincón Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] New design and safari

2006-06-14 Thread David Storey
This works fine in Safari 2.0.3 (and Opera) for me. Do you mean the sign post menu at the bottom left of the screen? On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:17:55 +0200, Carlos Rincon Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, we have redesign our web (www.neuroticweb.com) Someone tell us the web does

[WSG] New design and safari

2006-06-14 Thread Carlos Rincon Sanchez
Hi all, we have redesign our web (www.neuroticweb.com) Someone tell us the web doesn't show well in safari (when you go to section menu the content goes down) Anyone knows why this happen? thanks, -- Carlos Rincón Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neurotic, SCP - www.neuroticweb.com Tel: 938 492 02