RE: [WSG] Windows XP Narrator

2006-09-06 Thread Kepler Gelotte
>> I can't think of a better method for doing what I want it to do. > surely a case for text as images? > make the text you don't want read as an image, with no alt text. Since narrator seems to say the window title by default, why not change your page titles match the text as in: Yellow - Ba

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread absalom
Quoting Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear Group, > > Doing a google check with allinurl:hereticpress.com/ I discovered my > site was being duplicated on another site > http://literature-universe.info/siteinfo.php/www.hereticpress.com/ > Dogstar/Novels/NUNC.html > > I get an access denied error

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread absalom
Quoting Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear Group, > > Doing a google check with allinurl:hereticpress.com/ I discovered my > site was being duplicated on another site > http://literature-universe.info/siteinfo.php/www.hereticpress.com/ > Dogstar/Novels/NUNC.html > > I get an access denied error

Re: [WSG] Windows XP Narrator

2006-09-06 Thread Tony Crockford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a better method for doing what I want it to do. surely a case for text as images? make the text you don't want read as an image, with no alt text. ;o) *** List Guidelines: http://webst

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Artemis
> > I changed my .htaccess file to give him a graphic saying stolen > content from hereticpress.com > > Apologies ahead of time as I realize this is off topic. But, since everyone here can be affected by this, I feel the information is important. I'm guessing that you've gotten the issue reso

[WSG] getting result in javascript

2006-09-06 Thread nishak
Hi All,   I wanted to know whether I can store search result from any known site with me or not? (If this search is free). Lets suppose I want to store the response of  “http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=searching+tech&btnG=Google+Search” with me. I m using html/_javascript_/Ajax but

RE: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Kepler Gelotte
> in your testcase, Firefox, Safari, Opera and other modern browsers > drop the whole box containing [green div 1] and [green div 2]. That > is the correct behaviour in this case: the width of the floated > parent is not specified, and depends on the width of the content > (known: the width

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 7, 2006, at 5:27 AM, Doug Wigginton wrote: Thanks for taking a look. Just to confirm, on the right half of the screen the second Green div drops below the first green div when you resize to 600x800 in Firefox? Like this: [grey div][green div 1] [green div 2] and not [

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Kevin Futter
On 7/9/06 10:37 AM, "Elliot Schoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Dixon wrote: >> A few people have pointed out that they use the .leftNav etc because >> they are more useful to their clients and I would agree that .leftNav is >> far more obvious than .col1. However, those names are only

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
David Dixon wrote: > Nice little blog entry you have there Mike, > I like the honesty you've conveyed in your > opinions [...] Thank you David :-) > [...] what is this .col1? what's in it? does it have > a particular purpose? [...] I agree in that it's not very telling as to

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Lea de Groot wrote: There aren't many cases where there is a need to do this. So, when the answer to 'what will this do on the page?' starts with 'all these items will...' then they should have a classname that is meaningful. When the answer is 'they all do this; but some of them have this ap

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Elliot Schoemaker
David Dixon wrote: A few people have pointed out that they use the .leftNav etc because they are more useful to their clients and I would agree that .leftNav is far more obvious than .col1. However, those names are only useful until the site needs a redesign/restructure (actually 3 months later w

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Lea de Groot
David Dixon wrote: A few people have pointed out that they use the .leftNav etc because they are more useful to their clients and I would agree that .leftNav is far more obvious than .col1. However, those names are only useful until the site needs a redesign/restructure (actually 3 months later

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Title: Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA I remember a couple of years ago this happening to a woman on another list I’m on. They were linking to her graphics folder – so she just added huge letters on top of the original graphics  saying something like ‘STO

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread David Dixon
Lea de Groot wrote: I do the same thing (.left, .right, etc) too. I think it works, and only in very specific cases, because you *aren't* going to change what these look like - you are far more likely to remove the class. I would personally question that would be true for the most part, the

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread Nikita The Spider
On 9/6/06, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I ima

[WSG] XHTML Marquee

2006-09-06 Thread Richard Czeiger
Anyone know where I can find a semantic, unobtrusive, accessible marquee javascript? As in a stock price 'ticker' ? If someone's got some code already writeen up, that would be great. Cheers ;o) Richard *** List Guidelines:

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread David Dixon
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Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Elliot Schoemaker
Just playing devil's advocate here, but perhaps it can be thought of in a different light. If the purpose of the image is to illustrate or demonstrate some element of content within the page, then would the image cease to be part of the presentation layer and hence become part of the content laye

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Lea de Groot
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I'd go with something along those lines, yes, or even more generically (if you foresee that at some point you may not want all images on the same position, but differentiate them some other way - e.g. one has a blue border, the other a red border, etc) having classnames

RE: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox) (off-campus)

2006-09-06 Thread Gary Hayden-Sofio
I will be off-campus from Thursday, Sept 7 through Friday, Sept 8. I will return to campus on Monday, Sept 11. For technical assistance, or if this is an urgent web-related matter, then contact the ITS Helpdesk at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or call 612-659-6600. Otherwise, I will reply to your message wh

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Nick Roper
Doug : hang on, I just double checked to make sure, and now the green divs are moving under the grey div. I could have sworn that didn't happen before, spooky stuff... Will have a play. Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements Quoting Doug Wigginton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Nick, Than

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Nick Roper
Hi Doug, Yup, that's correct. [grey div] stays left and [green div 1] and [green div 2] stay right, but [green div 2] moves underneath [green div 1] Note: I'm not actually changing the resolution of the screen, simply resizing the browser window. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical el

RE: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Hi Doug, It appears that FF does not take the child elements into consideration when floating elements. I have an example below which comes close to the behavior I think you were looking for. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11-transitional.dtd";> Trouble with floats * { margin:0px; pa

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Doug Wigginton wrote: [...] The idea is that when the browser resizes, the second left-floated div will drop down below the first enabling all the content to display in an 600 x 800 resolution. This works in IE6 (win) but not in Firefox, therefore my css is probably wrong/incomplete. In FireFo

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Doug Wigginton
Nick,   Thanks for taking a look.  Just to confirm, on the right half of the screen the second Green div drops below the first green div when you resize to 600x800 in Firefox?   Like this:   [grey div][green div 1]  [green div 2]   and not   [grey div]    [green div 1 ][green div2]  

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 6 Sep 2006, at 12:13, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I often find myself using 'functional' class names for a handful of specific tasks, but often these are used in parallel with semantic class names, for example: .noPrint has only one simple rule, which I know wil

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Group, For about a week I had a draft started on my blog. In answering Designer's question about p:first-line a can of worms was opened up. I'm grateful because it showed me a side of a topic I hadn't really considered previously and was I prepared to simply write about the subject of Cla

Re: [WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Nick Roper
Works for me in FF - i.e. the second div drops below the first as you reckon it should. Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements Quoting Doug Wigginton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Dear Group, I've finished reading CSS Mastery, and yet I'm still not quite getting something right with my float

[WSG] Trouble with float layout (IE6 versus Firefox)

2006-09-06 Thread Doug Wigginton
Dear Group,   I've finished reading CSS Mastery, and yet I'm still not quite getting something right with my floats.   (A test case is below, it's pretty simple).   In my DIV that's floated right, I have two DIVs that are floated left. The idea is that when the browser resizes, the second left-floa

[WSG] Windows XP Narrator

2006-09-06 Thread sharron
If this is a bit off topic I apologize.     I am creating a website for my grand daughter's use. http://www.designbyatfb.com/wisd/sw-one.html  I am supposing that I consider this a accessibility issue for her as she can't yet read. Stretching a bit I know.   I've 10 of 48 words (or pages com

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread TuteC
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/ says it has to wiegh 8 seconds. That´s relative for each computer, of course... They have a really interesting validator. Regards; Eugenio. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/g

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: a img, img.posA, img.posB, img.posC { background-color : #fff; border : 0; } img.posA { float : left; margin : 0 15px 5px 0; } img.posB { float : right; margin : 0 0 5px 15px; } img.posC { mar

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Tony Crockford wrote: Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: That said, for my clients, using .left, .right, .center will be more intuitive. exactly! For some clients it's also easier to use table layouts and font tags... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Ken McCormack
Not sure what the law is in the US, but I think its the same the world over - if they republish your material, that will be in breach of copyright. Can you grab a cached snapshot of their page from Google? That will prove it. Suggest you write to them and say you will sue them for breach of

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Melissa Cooper
Hello Tim, Can understand that your fairly miffed. Just remember that it really is a compliment. Write to them and let them know that they should have asked permission and that you would like the feed to be removed asap. If they don't respond to your request then you could consider asking a law

Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On 9/6/06 9:32 AM, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doing a google check with allinurl:hereticpress.com/ I discovered my > site was being duplicated on another site > http://literature-universe.info/siteinfo.php/www.hereticpress.com/ > Dogstar/Novels/NUNC.html Site's not coming up for me now.

RE: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Tina Starnes
Copyright infringement should be reported to the host of the offendng site. Since the US is governed by DMCA the host will be required to suspend the offending site until copyright infringement has been corrected. Do a whois on the domain - find the host - then go to the host site and look for th

Re: [WSG] upload video restrictions

2006-09-06 Thread Melissa Cooper
Hi Tom, Of course - sorry about that, a copy and paste oversight... Just after video feedback tho as there are so many more variables with different file types, conversion, playback and file size. Thanks, M. Tom Livingston wrote: On 9/5/06 10:48 PM, "Ido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: avi,

RE: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Samuel Richardson
You could report it but I doubt anybody would do anything about it unless you pursued it with a lawyer over there, hardly worth it. Just alter the images to be something offensive, that'll make them change it pretty quickly. Otherwise just ring them up and have a chat, if you use Skype then it'l

[WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA

2006-09-06 Thread Tim
Dear Group, Doing a google check with allinurl:hereticpress.com/ I discovered my site was being duplicated on another site http://literature-universe.info/siteinfo.php/www.hereticpress.com/ Dogstar/Novels/NUNC.html I get an access denied error 403 when trying to see my content on their si

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Tony Crockford
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: That said, for my clients, using .left, .right, .center will be more intuitive. exactly! ;o) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsg

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
RE: img.left, img.right Designer wrote: > 1) It's clear what it's for (semantic?) I do the same thing for embedded images and I would think that this is okay and finding another way would be a challenge. But I'll take a stab at it since I've been enlightened on this a bit. img.posA {}

Re: [WSG] upload video restrictions

2006-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On 9/5/06 10:48 PM, "Ido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> avi, asf, wmv, mpg, mp4, fla, swf, mov, 3gp .fla is not a video format. Were you thinking of .flv? If so, you would need a Flash .swf to play that. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx:

RE: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread michael.brockington
I often find myself using 'functional' class names for a handful of specific tasks, but often these are used in parallel with semantic class names, for example: .noPrint has only one simple rule, which I know will never change. Similarly I occasionally use .leftAlign & .rightAlign but again o

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Tony Crockford
L-J Lacey wrote: --- Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, would you criticise this as 'not best practice'? I think the point is that if you decided to change the left images to the right/top/bottom/etc it would no longer be semantic, and would potentially be confusing for you later on, or

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread L-J Lacey
--- Designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .img-left { > float: left; > text-align: center; > background: white; > margin : 10px 20px 10px 0px; > } > > .img-right { > float: right; > text-align: center; > background: white; > margin : 10px 0px 10px 20px; > } > >

Re: [WSG] p:first-line

2006-09-06 Thread Designer
Matthew Pennell wrote: If all you're trying to do is indent the first line of each paragraph, you don't need to use :first-line at all. #description p { text-indent: 3em; } Amazing! I'd have expected that to indent the whole paragraph! Thanks Matthew, and to all others who responded. -- Best

Re: class names and IDs (was Re: [WSG] p:first-line)

2006-09-06 Thread Designer
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Maybe it's philosophical hairsplitting, but "indent" still describes the visual effect you're trying to achieve, rather than being a name describing either the function or a characteristic of the content itself. IMHO "first" falls under that second category (it's an att

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread Ken McCormack
Hi Samuel How much of your 300kb is HTML? It may be ok if your html is only 50Kb, as that will compress to 15k or something. I have a similar scenario using IIS compression, working on an insurance application for a car manufacturer... a lot of their remote dealerships are only connected at

Re: [WSG] p:first-line

2006-09-06 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mathew Patterson wrote: You have probably heard this same argument in reference to using instead of . The idea is that the class name you use should reflect the semantic *meaning* of what it does, not necessarily the physical way it achieves that meaning. The idea is fine and recommendable.

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread Tim
On 06/09/2006, at 6:13 PM, Matthew Pennell wrote: On 9/6/06, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of

Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes

2006-09-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 9/6/06, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I ima