Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:58 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > In terms of mockups can we have them on the wiki so that way we can > provide suggestions and possibly if we like features from one or > others we can combine them. > I don't think I currently have access to editing the wiki. I tried logging in wit

[LMMS-devel] Github

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Turns out Toby already created the repo. I am goign to begin migrating bug reports to the new issue tracker. -- Jonathan Aquilina -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Ar

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:56 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Going back to the discussion of using CSS to styling and theming. I > think we should drop CSS and switch to XML files. I feel that XML > files would be better suited for those that want to customize the look > of lmms and arent as knowledgable abo

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In terms of the mobile app market we would need to see how something like virtual dj allows a mobile device to interface with their application on the computer. That would be a very very very interesting thing to do for this project. The problem i see comes when targeting Apple devices. In their ru

[LMMS-devel] Migration of git From Sourceforge to github

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I was speaking with toby last night while all these discussions were going on, and I am going to get things going with moving the current 0.4 stable branch to git hub. This will function as our new master branch. I will also create another branch specifically for UI development. Once we have a UI w

Re: [LMMS-devel] Notelabels, second try

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, you can globally enable/disable it in the settings dialog. Toby -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Developme

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In terms of mockups can we have them on the wiki so that way we can provide suggestions and possibly if we like features from one or others we can combine them. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 03:52 AM, David Millet wrote: > > "(I might be entirely wrong here, mayb

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Going back to the discussion of using CSS to styling and theming. I think we should drop CSS and switch to XML files. I feel that XML files would be better suited for those that want to customize the look of lmms and arent as knowledgable about CSS as some of us major developers might be. On Fri,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ok then we go with fully customized widgets. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we > > should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This > > will

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we > should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This > will decrease UI complexity for sure. That's impossible. Qt doesn't have all the widgets that LMMS needs.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Thanks for teaching me something new today Vesa. :D When i saw CSS i instantly thought something with a website or web related. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:42 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the on

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think this is something which should be standardized. I think we should not reinvent the wheel and use QT looking UI and QWidgets. This will decrease UI complexity for sure. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 08:38 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I am wondering in t

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:42 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the only > thing that using css. as mentioned in my other email i thik QT and > glad are what we need to look at. Sorry but you're incorrect, CSS is used in many local applications for U

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 08:38 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I am wondering in terms of UI could we make it take advantage of a QT > look if one is on kde or use glad if they are on gnome. Currently are > we using a custom UI not using any framework such as the qt UI > designer or glade? Some of the widgets

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Are you guys thinking of making a web based version? That is the only thing that using css. as mentioned in my other email i thik QT and glad are what we need to look at. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Israel wrote: > Good, I like CSS, > CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very us

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I am wondering in terms of UI could we make it take advantage of a QT look if one is on kde or use glad if they are on gnome. Currently are we using a custom UI not using any framework such as the qt UI designer or glade? On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 05:24 AM, I

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Raine M. Ekman
Quoting Israel : > The worst issue with the internal windows is the > minimize/maximize function. The minimized windows can be nearly > impossible to find intuitively if you have a lot of things up, and the > unmaximize button hides in a slightly non-intuitive area. If there was > some sort of 'd

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 05:24 AM, Israel wrote: > Good, I like CSS, > CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very useful to put LMMS > on mobiles. > i.e. > width: 20% > float: left > So it will support all the color functionality? I mean rgba > specifically... because an alpha channel could make som

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Good, I like CSS, CSS supports layouts, and sizes, this could be very useful to put LMMS on mobiles. i.e. width: 20% float: left So it will support all the color functionality? I mean rgba specifically... because an alpha channel could make some things look REALLY modern and sleek. Maybe you

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 04:55 AM, Israel wrote: > but the problem is rewriting the entire UI codebase to use XML instead > of the hard-coded UI (I haven't actually looked into the UI code... I > just assume it is hard coded since it doesn't match the theme of my Qt > environment). That is not a priority for

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Maybe there should be a list of all the UI elements that need to be redone, and fixed. (i.e knobs, sliders, logo, specific logo, specific MIME, etc..) http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/ Seems like it would be a proper place for TODO and blueprints of the artwork nature XML is a standardized

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread oeai
Java on android and C# are using xml schemas, it looks more like a css really, just in a bit other way, you can check any market-app and create maybe some better way. On 10.01.2014 06:01, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > The website-like interface system seems an interesting way. I have no > idea of it

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 03:52 AM, David Millet wrote: > "(I might be entirely wrong here, maybe > someone knows a way to do it quickly and painlessly, and if so I'll > stand corrected...)" > > Well, with the theme support that is currently being added, if > developers can use CSS to develop the theme, and th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
The website-like interface system seems an interesting way. I have no idea of it could work and how flexible I'd be, but the image you guys are painting is intriguing. Has anyone did anything like this before? Gnome Shell maybe? Not to mention that having a finger-operable theme for tablets and sm

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Vesa, I agree that UI redesign will probably take a lot of people*time to finish and what we have now is better than nothing (it works!). I think the deluge of ideas and lively discussion is a rough way to create a roadmap for this year and find out what we want to do, in what order and how. I fe

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
"(I might be entirely wrong here, maybe someone knows a way to do it quickly and painlessly, and if so I'll stand corrected...)" Well, with the theme support that is currently being added, if developers can use CSS to develop the theme, and the CSS support is robust enough, the layout can be compl

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 02:41 AM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I was thinking about LMMS interface redisign on a Blender fashion. That's maybe something to consider down the line, but I think it's not something we should focus on currently, unless we can get much more actual coders and developers - something like

Re: [LMMS-devel] Fwd: [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread oeai
Can i suggest a drop-in slider for a knob-push ability? So when i click on it this could be a vertical or horizontal slider to just click a needed value. this can be option for many, not sure if someone will like it, but many times i got this issue when i have to mouse-lock-button and drag, well

Re: [LMMS-devel] Fwd: [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 02:31 AM, Emilio Coppola wrote: > Looks great, love the pallet. But maybe it's better to use a flat > background instead of gradients? Oh, that's just my current theme. You can download it on the sharing platform if you like it, it's named Entropy 1.1. The mockup wasn't about the th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
It would be nice to toggle between views, sort of like GIMP 2.8+ has single window mode, so users could decide if they want the 'locked' window interface and the movable interface. The problem with a 'locked' interface would cause problems with multiple instrument windows (i.e. 3 Tripple OSC, 2

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
*David*, to me it's great news to know you're an active Blender user. In LMMS keyboard sometimes is bind to playing notes, but maybe this could be (de)activated with a button+shortcut so most of the times you could use both function keys and play notes switching between the two a bit like VIM users

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
Wanted to throw my 2 cents in, as I'm actually pretty familiar with the Blender interface. I am for example the guy that started this: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro, and have written articles for BlenderNation.com I'd throw my support behind LMMS borrowing the non-overlappi

Re: [LMMS-devel] Fwd: [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread oeai
i saw png in repo, so i thought that this is the only way, if svg is alright, then i guess this will solve tha-hack0rz pr0bl3m. for me 3d is more like able to transform and have more visuals, animations etc., so this can be more like a .gif buttons. - without ability to be modified as well. abl

Re: [LMMS-devel] Triple Oscillator could be much more interesting

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Pitch envelope and LFO would open a whole another dimension of possible sounds to make with *Triplie*. LFO for flute/reed and ENV for percussion/special FX - this is just the beginning. 2014/1/9 Tobias Doerffel > Hi, > > 2014/1/9 nsk > >> I noticed that theInstrumentSoundShapping.cpp file cont

Re: [LMMS-devel] Lmms dev meetup?

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I'm based in Warsaw, Poland. I think that Google Hangout could be a good thing to try first. I'm not too capable of traveling to another country right now ;) And the meeting/live online discussion is a good idea - maybe the developers could make such online live meetings weekly reporting progress

Re: [LMMS-devel] Notelabels, second try

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Thanks! I'm not sure how it works and why. Is it possible to switch it on/off? A shortcut maybe (hopefully a documented one!) 2013/10/27 Rüdiger Ranft <_r...@web.de> > Hi all, > > I added the ability to display the names of each note inside the piano > roll. > There is a preview of this at [1],

Re: [LMMS-devel] Fwd: [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread oeai
Maybe pressed buttons should be color-highlighted? also it looks as flat - it's not bad or good, just could be more 3d maybe? depends if any could render sketch into 3d. flat can be good because theme-colors can be implemented, so just set it grey-blue-dark-white and this will set whole theme to

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
For GUI design I recommend you to watch a series of videos targeted at Blender (The Open 3D Toolkit). Speaking of GUI concepts: LMMS has a big problem where all the little windows in the workspace overlap, get lost, minimize, fail to restore, get lost somewher beyond the edge... Blender develope

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
Maybe it would be good to have a few mockups posted to the list, so the UI people and the devs and the (etc...) can visualize what is being said, and visualize the possibilities for LMMS. On a side note, as the Ubuntu package person, I think QML would make a nice UI, and make it theme-able and

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/10/2014 12:19 AM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Hi, > > as discussed on the ML any help on improving the UI is welcome. We > need somebody to coordinate the volunteers and the work on UI design. > Would you like to do that? > > Toby > Sure, why not. I can personally help a lot at least with all th

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/09/2014 10:10 PM, giakk...@hotmail.it wrote: > I think that "Linux" should be changed to something that still links the > program to the "open-source community" (the simplest example is the > adjective "Open"); then rather that "multi-media" I would use something > more specific to music m

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Israel
I am glad to see all the recent activity in this list!! I too am more of a lurker than a contributor, I mainly work on packaging I think the solutions and suggestions are very valid presented by people here. Here are my couple bits... 1. LMMS should be just fine as a name, but if it is renam

[LMMS-devel] Fwd: [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I forward Tres' message to the Devel list as he requested: -- Forwarded message -- From: Tres Finocchiaro Date: 2014/1/9 Subject: Re: [Lmms-users] [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up! To: Tobiasz Karoń Cc: Jonathan Aquilina , lmms-devel < LMMS-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>, LMMS-USERS lmms

Re: [LMMS-devel] Notelabels, second try

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, thanks for you patch. I merged it into stable-0.4 branch. Toby -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Developmen

Re: [LMMS-devel] Lmms dev meetup?

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Im in malta. I might be able to arrange an event. Toby coukd you attend? On 9 Jan 2014 23:35, "Nathan McCoy" wrote: > I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where > developers could get together and work on the many features that need to > get implemented. > > I am a d

Re: [LMMS-devel] Lmms dev meetup?

2014-01-09 Thread Devin Venable
It's probably too difficult as the developers live all over the world, I suspect. A Google Hangout might be a good idea for a meetup. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Nathan McCoy wrote: > I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where > developers could get together and

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Usually new features are done in their own branch and then that is merged back to the main branch On 9 Jan 2014 23:32, "Johannes Lorenz" wrote: > About the problems with stability Tobias talked about: What about having > *two* branches? One instable and one stable? The code which is good enough >

[LMMS-devel] Lmms dev meetup?

2014-01-09 Thread Nathan McCoy
I was thinking for a while it would be nice to get an event setup where developers could get together and work on the many features that need to get implemented. I am a developer but every time i have spare time and i start looking at the lmms code, i find it a daunting task, considering the code

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Johannes Lorenz
About the problems with stability Tobias talked about: What about having *two* branches? One instable and one stable? The code which is good enough in the instable code can be merged (at least git can do it) into the stable code. Still, enthusiast programmers can have fun with the instable code

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Toby have you considered making the master git repo based off the 0.4.x branch? On 9 Jan 2014 22:44, "Devin Venable" wrote: > Thanks Tobias! The move to github will be a real boost for new > development. > > Great move! > > Devin > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tobias Doerffel > wrote:

Re: [LMMS-devel] Looking for a way to help LMMS development

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, as discussed on the ML any help on improving the UI is welcome. We need somebody to coordinate the volunteers and the work on UI design. Would you like to do that? Toby -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise C

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal to merge these two lists

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, I'd vote for keeping lmms-devel and drop lmms-users. Migrating to a completely new ML is very hard to do and obviously mailinglists primarily are being used for development purposes. IMHO our users prefer using the forum and other social media. Maybe for release announcements we could create a

Re: [LMMS-devel] Triple Oscillator could be much more interesting

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, 2014/1/9 nsk > I noticed that theInstrumentSoundShapping.cpp file contains the > commented code required toPITCH and PAN implementations, but for some > reason it is not completed. I think that this is a very useful feature, > in at least the PITCH. I tried to implement this feature, but > u

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Devin Venable
Thanks Tobias! The move to github will be a real boost for new development. Great move! Devin On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Hi, > > thank you all for your helpful and diverse input! I also agree with most > of what has been said. Even though I do have time to contr

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, thank you all for your helpful and diverse input! I also agree with most of what has been said. Even though I do have time to contribute to LMMS I do not have the time for being the only primary developer, which has been a severe problem in the past. It's true that the Git repositories on Sour

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Hi, 2014/1/9 Alexandre Almeida > The "Play/Pause" button also has problems, which happen because the icon > for this button is updated before the status of the song is changed from > "playing" to "paused" and vice-versa. The same is true for a beat+bassline > and piano roll sequence. > This ver

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread giakk...@hotmail.it
Hi, I want to share my thoughts with you about the name of the program. When I started using LMMS, I read the name as this: Linux -> related to a community of "open-source program users", so the program is free but made with effort Multi-Media -> actually it is a DAW, so I didn't really understan

[LMMS-devel] Triple Oscillator could be much more interesting

2014-01-09 Thread nsk
Hi evereone! I noticed that theInstrumentSoundShapping.cpp file contains the commented code required toPITCH and PAN implementations, but for some reason it is not completed. I think that this is a very useful feature, in at least the PITCH. I tried to implement this feature, but unfortunately,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Triple Oscillator could be much more interesting

2014-01-09 Thread nsk
10.01.2014 00:38, nsk пишет: > Hi evereone! > I noticed that theInstrumentSoundShapping.cpp file contains the > commented code required toPITCH and PAN implementations, but for some > reason it is not completed. I think that this is a very useful > feature, in at least the PITCH. I tried to impl

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Alexandre Almeida
The "Play/Pause" button also has problems, which happen because the icon for this button is updated before the status of the song is changed from "playing" to "paused" and vice-versa. The same is true for a beat+bassline and piano roll sequence.

Re: [LMMS-devel] [Lmms-users] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Emilio Coppola
*Johannes Lorenz "*I think social aspects is not the main problem..." Having a better social aspect and a bigger community will bring more developers to help with the problems that the program has. Forgetting this side will make all efforts just available to those who program it and are up to date

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Rob Kudla
On 01/09/2014 09:05 AM, Tobiasz Karoñ wrote: > *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for it > and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from > disappearing into the void... Your choice of words here is kind of funny, since Sourceforge mailing li

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
Hey guys, lurker here. I too like this project a lot and am very interested in seeing it take off. I have a thought about the branding. Some time ago there was a company called Kentucky Fried Chicken that had a branding problem similar to ours. Their name was outdated. They didn't want to be a

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread David Millet
Hey guys, lurker here. I too like this project a lot and am very interested in seeing it take off. I have a thought about the branding. Some time ago there was a company called Kentucky Fried Chicken that had a branding problem similar to ours. Their name was outdated. They didn't want to be a

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Devin Venable
Hi all, I'm a programmer and I've contributed to LMMS in the past (multi-export feature). I do think it is a bit more work to be a part of this project because one must submit patches through the mailing list. I would really like to see the source hosted on Github, as it makes it much easier to

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I like forums.xonotic.org maybe we could use the same engine they have there. There was a forum somewhere but I found it nowhere to be found. *Johannes*, it's great for you to show up - yes, we need new poeple to push this project forward. *Emilio,* you're right - new name would support new era i

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal to merge these two lists

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
So who can make this merge and how? Will there be a l...@lists.sourceforge.net list that all subscribers will be move to? 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina > Ill be honest the user list is dead. It would be better to have them > included in technical discussions which change and improve features or >

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/09/2014 03:07 PM, David Gerard wrote: > The basics need to be in place first. Undo. Project export facilities > (e.g., MIDI). At the moment it's a toy - one I greatly enjoy playing > with, but I can't reasonably describe it as more. I don't think it's entirely fair to describe LMMS as a "toy

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/09/2014 02:20 PM, Emilio Coppola wrote: > > The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. I think this could be solved by finalizing the theming support, so that every part of the interface is themeable, then choosing some nice looking themes and including them officially i

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Johannes Lorenz
Hi, I think social aspects is not the main problem. LMMS has almost no features to me. Why? Developers are turned off => no efforts => no features Why are developers turned off? * The last release is so long ago, I'd propose to do one at least once a month. That way, developers get mo

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 January 2014 13:04, Emilio Coppola wrote: > I don't think that LMMS is an stablished bran since is not a well known > program. While Love Making Music Studio is funny I don't feel it will > attract professional users to it. The basics need to be in place first. Undo. Project export facilit

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Emilio Coppola
I don't think that LMMS is an stablished bran since is not a well known program. While Love Making Music Studio is funny I don't feel it will attract professional users to it. For instance, a software called Game Maker for making video games is not taken serious mainly because of its name (I've see

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing else. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Thank you, Emilio! > > The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone > proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I persona

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
Thank you, Emilio! The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I too would like to help my programming know how would require me to take a very steep learning curve. I too can provide a website and even a section in my forums for use if that is so desired. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Emilio Coppola wrote: > One of the main problems is working using mail

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal to merge these two lists

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ill be honest the user list is dead. It would be better to have them included in technical discussions which change and improve features or propose new features On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I think it might be a good thing. > However some users might feel spammed with

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal to merge these two lists

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I think it might be a good thing. However some users might feel spammed with technical e-mails that they don't understand or want. Do they? 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina > Seeing as this community is already spread thin as is I would like to > propose a merging of these two mailing lists into a si

Re: [LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Emilio Coppola
One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a platform like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also help the user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its alive. Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden". This being a pro

[LMMS-devel] Proposal to merge these two lists

2014-01-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Seeing as this community is already spread thin as is I would like to propose a merging of these two mailing lists into a single mailing list for both users and developers alike. What do you all think of the idea? -- Jonathan Aquilina -

[LMMS-devel] Wake LMMS up!

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
[ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg or MP3] Hi everyone! My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last albumsold in 15 copies ;) I'm nearly a da

Re: [LMMS-devel] Few things that scare people off from LMMS that we need to fix

2014-01-09 Thread Vesa
On 01/09/2014 11:42 AM, Raine M. Ekman wrote: > Quoting Tobias Doerffel : >> I totally agree. A few years ago I rewrote undo/redo support in a separate >> branch based on the master branch. I just backported all these changes and >> committed them into the "stable-0.4-undo-redo" branch. It's not ma

Re: [LMMS-devel] Few things that scare people off from LMMS that we need to fix

2014-01-09 Thread Emilio Coppola
Yes, the new theme is a must! 2014/1/9 Raine M. Ekman > Quoting Tobias Doerffel : > > I totally agree. A few years ago I rewrote undo/redo support in a > separate > > branch based on the master branch. I just backported all these changes > and > > committed them into the "stable-0.4-undo-redo"

Re: [LMMS-devel] Few things that scare people off from LMMS that we need to fix

2014-01-09 Thread Raine M. Ekman
Quoting Tobias Doerffel : > I totally agree. A few years ago I rewrote undo/redo support in a separate > branch based on the master branch. I just backported all these changes and > committed them into the "stable-0.4-undo-redo" branch. It's not mature yet > but way better than what we had before.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Few things that scare people off from LMMS that we need to fix

2014-01-09 Thread Tobiasz Karoń
I'm happy to see you guys are moving things forward. Good job! :) I hope the undo thing will be in the next release, and hopefully the re-written song editor and automation system will be there soon too. Vesa: I thought that maybe the sudden silence is caused by some faulty plugin in the master str